Re: Abusive cancels from miakibot (bis)

llpminibot avait écrit le 04/06/2022 :
> llpminibot avait énoncé :
>> Dans son message précédent, pehache a écrit :
>>> Following a previous discussion on that I just want to remind the 
>>> (approximate) recent history.
>>>
>>> A few months ago (in 2021, maybe 2020, I don't remember exactly) Olivier 
>>> Miakinen (O.M.) wrote a cancel bot named "miakibot" to clean up the fr.* 
>>> hierarchy from spam etc, as many cancels were done manually before that.
>>>
>>> At the begining all was OK, nobody was complaining, and most people were 
>>> even praising it. There was an old FAQ on fr.* about legit cancels and the 
>>> bot was essentially cancelling according to this FAQ.
>>>
>>> At the same time a usenaut, whose latest incarnation is known as "Néo 
>>> L'élu", who was posting tons of articles, always with the same kind of 
>>> subject (about religion, atheism...), with crossposts and no follow-up. 
>>> The guy was indeed a pain in the ass, but most of time he was not 
>>> violating any formal rule of fr.* that could justify the cancellation of 
>>> his posts.
>>>
>>> To try limiting the amount of messages from Néo we thought about updating 
>>> the FAQ to forbid crossposts without fu2 between fr.* and another 
>>> hierarchy (as a matter of fact Néo was crossposting on francom.*). We took 
>>> this opportunity to completely rewrite the FAQ, as we felt it was 
>>> outdated. There are has been a discussion on that last automn on the group 
>>> fr.usenet.abuse.d, and we reached a consensus on a new FAQ.
>>>
>>> However, soon after that O.M. decided to cancel ALL posts from Néo, even 
>>> the ones that were not violating the rules described in the FAQ. The 
>>> reason he gave was that Néo was flooding fr.* anyway. This is a kind of 
>>> indivual UDP, and several people expressed that such an extreme decision 
>>> should not be taken by a single person, and that a *consensus* should be 
>>> obtained on fr.usenet.abuse.d.
>>>
>>> O.M. then opened a discussion about that, and about some other individual 
>>> UDPs applied to some other spammers/flooders. He obtained large majorities 
>>> for almost everything, except for Néo. There was just a small majority (12 
>>> out of 22) in favour of the UDP on Néo.
>>>
>>> One can endlessly argue about "what is a consensus". A common and 
>>> pragmatic definition is "a large majority". Still one can argue about "how 
>>> large ?", but what is sure is that a 12 out of 22 is NOT a large majority, 
>>> and hence is NOT a consensus.
>>>
>>> By the meantime the miakibot was still cancelling ALL articles from Néo, 
>>> and O.M. didn't want to change anything. After a while, however, and 
>>> because of many protests, he stopped cancelling Néo.
>>>
>>> But in march 2022 he resumed cancelling Néo. Just, instead of cancelling 
>>> all articles, he allowed him to post on a few selected groups 
>>> (fr.sci.zetetique and the groups related to the Apple Mac), and without 
>>> any crosspost. All other articles were cancelled. And again it was his own 
>>> decision, taken without any consensus.
>>>
>>> Somehow acknowleging the problem, O.M. used a different "From" for the 
>>> cancel articles on Néo: "miakibot2 <[email protected]>" instead of 
>>> "miakibot <[email protected]>".
>>>
>>> Soon after he started to cancel the answers to cancelled articles. This 
>>> would be reasonnable if all the cancels were legit in the first place, 
>>> which is not the case. Moreover no consensus has been obtained for 
>>> cancelling the answers to cancelled articles. The "From" for these cancel 
>>> articles is "miakibot3 <[email protected]>"
>>>
>>> So at the moment we have :
>>>
>>> - miakibot: legit cancel articles, supported by the FAQ on legit cancels 
>>> or by a consensus
>>>
>>> - miakibot2: abusive cancel articles, not supported by the FAQ or by a 
>>> consensus
>>>
>>> - miakibot3: abusive cancel articles, not supported by the FAQ or by a 
>>> consensus
>>>
>>> At least, cancel articles from miakibot2 and miakibot3 should not be 
>>> honored.
>>>
>>> Cancel articles from miakibot are legit at the moment, but one can wonder 
>>> if O.M. can be trusted on the long term. At first he looks opened to 
>>> discussions, but he is actually always deciding on his own, without 
>>> bothering about a consensus, and he is convinced that his point of view is 
>>> always the right one (if you do not agree with him, then you're just a 
>>> troll). Also it is worth mentioning a massive abusive cancellation last 
>>> year, when he *retroactively* cancelled thousands of articles of a single 
>>> usenaut. Later on, he admitted that he did that because he had been upset 
>>> by this usenaut. Giving the atomic bomb to someone who is emotionnaly not 
>>> that stable is maybe not a good idea...
>>>
>>> Note: there is currently no more "miakibot2" cancel article, but the 
>>> reason is just that "Néo" has disappeared from fr.* (his Eternal September 
>>> account has apparently been suppressed because of violations of conditions 
>>> of service"). He may come back, or O.M. may decide one day or another to 
>>> put a UDP on someone else... So blocking miakibot2 (and miakibot3) is 
>>> still appropriate.
>>>
>>> Note 2: all of this also raises some questions about the alphanet.ch 
>>> server. Not only O.M. uses this server to send the abusive cancel 
>>> articles, but the Alphanet newsmaster is indeed fully supporting him.
>>
>> I totally agree with you.
>>
>> The miakibot must be stopped.
>> As you have very well reminded, we cannot trust its author.
>
> A small example of a "test" message cancelled by the miakibot3.
> No matter the content of the message, it will be cancelled.
> Message-ID: <cancel.e4kn9h1t94m7osqg0k7eqho3udiktdchq4@consensus-omnium>

And the abusive cancels continue :-(

For example:
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From: miakibot3 <[email protected]>
Organization: miakibot
Subject: cmsg cancel <[email protected]>
Control: cancel <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 23:26:34 +0200
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Newsgroups: fr.usenet.abus.d
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