Re: Heating woes

On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
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>> On 08.07.2023 17.01, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>> On 05.07.2023 14.14, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>> On 02.07.2023 16.29, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 28.06.2023 13.31, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On 23.06.2023 18.06, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19.06.2023 14.40, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.05.2023 15.41, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26.05.2023 17.44, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.05.2023 13.06, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18.05.2023 13.59, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17.05.2023 13.05, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13, Merlyne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be pruny]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds like what happens when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one  stays in the bathtub too long] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds is what happens in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restroom when you eat too many prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to that]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [And here I thought it would be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prunes is too many? I eat a few every day]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your detritus is running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most things. I once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ate an entire bag of black licorce in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting. Not advisable. Everything in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderation except moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising your blood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure as well as delicious. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unmoderated moderation gets really boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next time I'm in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use a marker]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black or red -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither of those are boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white... anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like it's been washed too many times]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been washed too much]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring colour?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little balls...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of the scull first
>>>>>>>>>> for the best results]
>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the massage thingie and
>>>>>>>>> then you get it out of the box and see you need a Stryker saw.
>>>>>>>>> At this point, I've already opened the box, so I can't send it
>>>>>>>>> back for a refund. The replacement blades for that thing aren't
>>>>>>>>> cheap. Then I get part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store can help you
>>>>>>>> out. If I buy wood I can get it cut to size for DKK50 per
>>>>>>>> cut...] 
>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living playing around
>>>>>>> with my  skull]
>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human, I'm sure they
>>>>>> are perfectly competent. And willing to sanitise the blade for a
>>>>>> nominal fee.] 
>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade has been.]
>>> [*runs away*]
>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade, no}
*crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
[The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the cleaning fee]
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I thought he said my
>>>>>>>>>>> dress would look good on the floor]
>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's comment. Anyway
>>>>>>>>>> that sort of thing doesn't happen any more. There was that
>>>>>>>>>> scandal in the 30's, I think, and then all that nonsense
>>>>>>>>>> stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster back in the
>>>>>>>>> 80's. They harrassed me (and other women) every day. Well, the
>>>>>>>>> ones who weren't too scared to talk to a girl did.]
>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something like that
>>>>>>>> would never happen here. Except for the head of a major union.
>>>>>>>> She had to resign recently, amid accusations of bullying and
>>>>>>>> harassment. And the bigwig in one of the political parties who
>>>>>>>> 'elected to spend more time with his family' or something not
>>>>>>>> long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used to laugh it
>>>>>>> off. Nowadays the comments would be reported to HR.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual harassment.
>>>>>> People who gain power think they can get away with stuff. Down
>>>>>> with power.] 
>>>>>>
>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>
>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any tips on how
>>> to harrass someone.]
>>
>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do this' - do that.
>>
> They don't really do that anymore.
> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People where asking 
> too many questions. Having met other people, I assume that scheduling 
> everybody into a session is a logistical nightmare.
> They switched it to an online course with case studies. One was about a 
> woman who took a lower paying job in a department after being harrassed 
> by a coworker. The coworker was another woman who was mean to her and 
> said things like 'I'm sick of covering for you' and shoved the first 
> woman into the wall when they were alone in the washroom and stuff like 
> that. It probably triggered someone.
> Now the course is online and focuses on the broad definition of 
> harrassment and what you should do if you are harrassed and the steps of 
> the process to resolve the complaint.

Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
One radical idea I just came up with is just not have harassers going
around in the work environment harassing people...

-- 
BeH

" We are trapped by language to such a degree that every attempt to
formulate insight is a play on words." - Niels Bohr