Re: Sick - so very sick

BeH <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05.06.2023 00.58, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With an actual fever, and coughing and runny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nose. And sleeping a lot. Probably TB or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something... any time now I'm likely to start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coughing up blood flecked phlegm. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sucks :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like covid to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel better soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not tuberculosis after all - no blood from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lungs. Dunno if it's covid, and no way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find out short of a trip to bigtown, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't seem advisable in the situation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like the same symptoms I had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI it took 4 to 6 weeks to recover from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have that kind of time... I have things to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can still watch tv or sit outside and drink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coffee. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eventually I will have to buy some food. And stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also do some garden things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the garden things that you should have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 months ago? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those, and the things I should have done in between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then and now. And the things I should do regularly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the things related to the projected pond and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can hardly wait to see the pictures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As said, it could take a while - for now there is only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrendously unkept lawn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replace the grass with clovers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seriously considered that, both for the not mowing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and for the insects. Also there isn't all that muich grass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left what with the patch covered in pine needles and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bits where the moss is winning. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to overseed with clover.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have some nice mixes at WestCoast seeds:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.westcoastseeds.com/products/alternative-lawn-
>> blend
>>>>>>>>>>> That does look nice - on the bag at least. It would be nice
>>>>>>>>>>> with a mix with different flowering periods so there's
>>>>>>>>>>> something going on for a good part of the year.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also the anti deer mix seems to be packed with poppies. The
>>>>>>>>>>> idea is obviously to keep the poor animals stoned all
>>>>>>>>>>> season. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbours are spraying for mosquitoes which also kills
>>>>>>>>>>>> off the butterflies and other beneficials.
>>>>>>>>>>> The bastards.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 100 years from now, researchers are going to discover that we
>>>>>>>>>> poisoned our whole environment over a mosquito and a
>>>>>>>>>> dandelion... 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ITYM: '30-40 years ago, researchers discovered...'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing is done about it, if that's the case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, they did eventually get rid of lead in petrol - only after
>>>>>>> damaging the brain of a whole generation, but still.
>>>>>>> Also: IT'S CAPITALISM!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You say that a lot.
>>>>> It's true a lot. Especially the unfettered kind.
>>>>>
>>>> Do that even happen? There are regulations for everything.
>>>
>>> Regulations are almost invariably reactive, so the fettering only
>>> happens after enough politicians realise (are forced to react to)
>>> how bad the unfettered behaviour is.
>>>
>> But not always. Sometimes they have a tribunal that reviews the
>> evidence and finds nothing substantial.
> 
> That's when either the voter margin is big enough in favour, or the
> stack of cash from Unfettered Capitalism is...

Money talks and bullshit walks...

> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have faith in you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that's one, at least...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YAY! I'm # 1!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Always.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rankings based on the number of people in the froup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are the people that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised you ranked me above yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know quite a few unflattering things about me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like what?
>>>>>>>>>>> Private things...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can't say things like that and provide no closure.
>>>>>>>>> Yes I can. The internet isn't ready...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *interest waning*
>>>>>>>> It's not like your the only person on the internet who touches 
>>>>>>>> themselves...
>>>>>>> Nice try. "I can neither confirm nor deny..."
>>>>>> Uh-huh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You chew with your mouth open?
>>>>>>>>>>>> You refuse to trim your jagged, yellow toenails?
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have jagged, yellow toenails...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have free Rapid tests so you can test at home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have commercially available rapid test so I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test at home. The problem is they aren't at my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home and I don't care enough to go find one. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably need to go to the pharmacy for it... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a handy thing to have around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not going to make this crap go away any faster,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No but at least you would know if you have covid or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the flu. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then I someone asks me whether I've had covid I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could answer with some degree of certainty. And then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They probably run away because people are still covid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shy. If you know for certain that you've had it, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to delay any planned booster shots for at least 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think there are any plans for further booster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shots. Not for the general public at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think here they recommend a booster every 6 months for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at-risk people and 1 in the Fall every year for everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else (like the flu shot). 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yebbut your health system probably also doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (illegally) postpone a whole lot of intestinal cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations until it's too late causing a great big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scandal. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or no one has found out yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that some people died during covid as a result of
>>>>>>>>>>>> postponed surgeries. Now there is a huge nursing shortage
>>>>>>>>>>>> here. Some ERs are being closed overnights and on weekends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The news media always finds the one person who is gravely
>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by <insert policy here>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fever is gone, and coughing more or less back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal levels, so just the clogged nose and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue to deal with. Good thing too since I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much run out of life's essentials and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely have to go shopping tomorrow (today,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually but after sleep). 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad you dissuaded me from visiting your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garden. I could have done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did it myself. Twice in two days. But only for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most pressing needs. And I got tired both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *eye roll*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell you are impressed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered groceries online and had them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really an option around here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *snickers*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Candy bars aren't a pressing need by any definition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's energy food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what they want you to think. It also has rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of sugar... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't remember the last time I ate a chocolate bar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me either. I think *my* last chocolate bar was a three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pack from a store up the coast when I bonked badly on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride... Some years back. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have a square of 85% chocolate after dinner each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You hedonist, you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. it stops me from craving sweets.
>>>>>>>>>>> If that is all it takes it hardly qualify as a craving.
>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on the size of the square, of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See. it works!
>>>>>>>>>> The measurement here is my craving or consumption of sweet
>>>>>>>>>> things before I started eating chocolate.
>>>>>>>>> So you are merely deluding yourself into thinking the
>>>>>>>>> chocolate is an adequate substitute for all the sweets you
>>>>>>>>> used to eat? Or is there some magical property with the
>>>>>>>>> chocolate that inhibits the craving? 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I knew you would say that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>> I strongly suspected.
>>>> Is that because it's something that you would have done?
>>>
>>> It is because I thoughlessly gave two (contradictory) options which
>>> each invited a Yes/No answer. It has happened a lot in this group...
>>>
>> Really? I hadn't noticed.
>> My parents are also like that.
>> Once I remember when we were at my Gran's and she asked everyone if
>> they would like coffee or tea and someone said 'yes' so she put
>> coffee and tea in a cup for them. Sometimes being a smartass doesn't
>> work out. 
> 
> I wouldn't know... I was never a smartass.
> 
Uh-huh.
>>>>>> Anyways, I didn't eat a lot of sweets to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good thing I didn't throw out those face masks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the mandate was retracted - I wouldn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to inflict whatever-it-is on anyone else (well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost anyone). 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then I have some surfaces to clean, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You probably won't reinfect yourself if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. If you clean you'll be tired and need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nap again. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I sit in the chair for an hour I'll get tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and need to nap again. It is getting a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. And the more you do, the longer it will take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to recover. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By that metric I should have been back at full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strength a week ago. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The time when you're feverish and in bed doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> count. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the time I'm feverish and not in bed? Or in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bed but not feverish? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *smacks you for being annoying*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *feels no pain*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop hitting me. It's not nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I like you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats a funny (and somewhat infantile) way of showing it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I were seriously, this is where I would become suicidal.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or violent...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Probably not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *cough*
>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean I don't like-like you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like you as a friend even though you criticize me.
>>>>>>>>>>> When have I ever criticised you? I never criticise - I give
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful corrective feedback...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You said I was pretentious for going to a coffee shop. Not
>>>>>>>>>> sure how that is helpful.
>>>>>>>>> I said hanging out in coffee shops is an indicator for
>>>>>>>>> pretentiousness. Not quite the same.
>>>>>>>>> I'm still not convinced about the wonderfulness of expensive
>>>>>>>>> beverages with silly names that may of may not contain some
>>>>>>>>> coffee related liquid. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Italian words? What's silly about 'americano'?
>>>>>>> I read somewhere that 'americano' in Italy is a (derogatory)
>>>>>>> term for 'espresso with extra water'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *eye roll*
>>>>>> They need to move on from WWII. 
>>>>> They did - before it was over even. But I don't think their coffee
>>>>> preferences have anything to do with WWII.
>>>> They still harbour resentment towards Americans because of WWII.
>>> Why do they do that? They were on the same side (eventually).
>>>
>> Yeah. Eventually.
>> FDR kept saying it wasn't America's war.
> He kinda had to. Back then the US still used that part of the
> constitution that says it's the Congress that decides who to do war
> against, and I doubt the votes would have been there.
> US never really declared war on anyone during WWII. The Pearl Harbor
> attack was regarded as a de-facto declaration by Japan (Fair enough I
> think) and then Germany (and Italy too, I think) declared war on US.
> (Truly as smart move.)
> 
>> I didn't help that his buddy Joesph P. Kennedy was a nazi
>> sympathizer. 
> Along with Henry Ford and Lindbergh. Also the hardline isolationists
> very many and loud.
> 
>>>>>>> Elsewhere 'american style' may mean filtered coffee... IOW
>>>>>>> Coffee! 
>>>>>>>> Their coffee is so smooth.
>>>>>>> But still just coffee - by any other name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> All coffee is not equal.
>>>>>> You've apparently never had a really good cup of coffee.
>>>>> All my coffee is good.
>>>>>
>>>> Soo you say.
>>>
>>> Is true. Because it has coffee in it.
>>>
>> Not all coffee is good. The thought of drinking coffee that has been 
>> sitting for hours in a thermos makes me nauseous.
> Coffee doesn't sit for hours around here.

So you drink a pot in a short span of time?

> 
>> Coffee is a bean and has oil on it like peanuts do. The oil goes
>> stale or even rancid on improperly cleaned equipment.
> But that's not strictly speaking the coffee's fault then...
> 
Right. But it greatly affects the coffee in a bad way.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes and no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then why ask the question?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For verification... Always verify your data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what I do for a living, right?
>>>>>>>>>>> More or less.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So lots of data verification.
>>>>>>>>> So you ageee, then. Point for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No points. We discussed this already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *pout*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is so adorable!
>>>>> Does that mean I get the point?
>>>>>
>>>> No. I come from the 'stop whining or I'll give you something to
>>>> whine about' generation.
>>>
>>> Please miss, may I have another point.
>>>
>> No.
> 
> Mean.
> 
Whiner.