Re: Heating woes

BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]: 

> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]: 
>> 
>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13, Merlyne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be pruny]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds like what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when >>>> one  stays in the bathtub too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>long] >>> [pruny sounds is what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the >>> restroom when you eat too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many >> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to that]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [And here I thought it would be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prunes is too many? I eat a few every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your detritus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most things. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once ate an entire bag of black licorce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not advisable. Everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising your blood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure as well as delicious. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unmoderated moderation gets really boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next time I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use a marker]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black or red -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither of those are boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white... anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks like it's been washed too many times]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been washed too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring colour?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little balls...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of the scull
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the massage thingie
>>>>>>>>>>>> and then you get it out of the box and see you need a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stryker saw. At this point, I've already opened the box, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't send it back for a refund. The replacement blades
>>>>>>>>>>>> for that thing aren't cheap. Then I get part way around and
>>>>>>>>>>>> realize I can't get my skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store can help
>>>>>>>>>>> you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut to size for DKK50
>>>>>>>>>>> per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living playing
>>>>>>>>>> around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>> they are perfectly competent. And willing to sanitise the
>>>>>>>>> blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade has been.]
>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade, no}
>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>> ]
>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the cleaning
>>> fee] 
>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
[I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic things]
>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I thought he said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my dress would look good on the floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's comment. Anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sort of thing doesn't happen any more. There was that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scandal in the 30's, I think, and then all that nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster back in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 80's. They harrassed me (and other women) every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the ones who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something like that
>>>>>>>>>>> would never happen here. Except for the head of a major
>>>>>>>>>>> union. She had to resign recently, amid accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>> bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in one of the
>>>>>>>>>>> political parties who 'elected to spend more time with his
>>>>>>>>>>> family' or something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used to laugh it
>>>>>>>>>> off. Nowadays the comments would be reported to HR.]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual harassment.
>>>>>>>>> People who gain power think they can get away with stuff. Down
>>>>>>>>> with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any tips on
>>>>>> how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do this' - do
>>>>> that. 
>>>>>
>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People where
>>>> asking too many questions. Having met other people, I assume that
>>>> scheduling everybody into a session is a logistical nightmare.
>>>> They switched it to an online course with case studies. One was
>>>> about a woman who took a lower paying job in a department after
>>>> being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was another woman who
>>>> was mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of covering for you'
>>>> and shoved the first woman into the wall when they were alone in
>>>> the washroom and stuff like that. It probably triggered someone.
>>>> Now the course is online and focuses on the broad definition of 
>>>> harrassment and what you should do if you are harrassed and the
>>>> steps of the process to resolve the complaint.
>>>
>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are witnesses and 
>> stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those he-said-she-said things.
>> 
>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have harassers
>>> going around in the work environment harassing people...
>>>
>                      /don't
>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially bullies.

I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than I type.
Let's go with that.

> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.

Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and then it will 
go to arbitration and the bully will be given a chance to improve. The 
union will fight any dismissals. It's really hard to rid of people.
> 
>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he molested a kid
>> at his wife's daycare. The day before he came back, we were all
>> herded into the boardroom and told that mentioning his crime or being
>> mean to him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be fired.
>> The system works.
> Clearly...
> 
> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the company picnic,
> I take it.

I would advise against it.