Re: Heating woes

BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]: 
>> 
>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13, Merlyne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be pruny]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds like what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the bathtub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too >> long] >>> [pruny sounds is what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when you eat too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to that]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [And here I thought it would be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good >>> conversation starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many >> prunes is too many? I eat a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your detritus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I  once ate an entire bag of black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not advisable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood pressure as well as delicious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation gets really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black or red -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither of those are boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white... anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks like it's been washed too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been washed too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little balls...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of the scull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingie and then you get it out of the box and see you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a Stryker saw. At this point, I've already opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box, so I can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't cheap. Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get part way around and realize I can't get my skull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store can help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut to size for DKK50
>>>>>>>>>>>>> per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living playing
>>>>>>>>>>>> around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>> they are perfectly competent. And willing to sanitise the
>>>>>>>>>>> blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade has been.]
>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade, no}
>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>> ]
>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the cleaning
>>>>> fee] 
>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic things]
> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection risk, so
> it could be more expensive in the long run.]
[Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I thought he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said my dress would look good on the floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway that sort of thing doesn't happen any more. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that scandal in the 30's, I think, and then all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 80's. They harrassed me (and other women) every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the ones who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would never happen here. Except for the head of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> major union. She had to resign recently, amid accusations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political parties who 'elected to spend more time with his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> family' or something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used to laugh
>>>>>>>>>>>> it off. Nowadays the comments would be reported to HR.]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can get away
>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any tips on
>>>>>>>> how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do this' - do
>>>>>>> that. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People where
>>>>>> asking too many questions. Having met other people, I assume that
>>>>>> scheduling everybody into a session is a logistical nightmare.
>>>>>> They switched it to an online course with case studies. One was
>>>>>> about a woman who took a lower paying job in a department after
>>>>>> being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was another woman who
>>>>>> was mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of covering for
>>>>>> you' and shoved the first woman into the wall when they were
>>>>>> alone in the washroom and stuff like that. It probably triggered
>>>>>> someone. Now the course is online and focuses on the broad
>>>>>> definition of harrassment and what you should do if you are
>>>>>> harrassed and the steps of the process to resolve the complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are witnesses and
>>>> stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those he-said-she-said
>>>> things. 
>>>>
>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have harassers
>>>>> going around in the work environment harassing people...
>>>>>
>>>                      /don't
>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially bullies.
>> 
>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than I type.
>> Let's go with that.
>> 
>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>> 
>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and then it
>> will go to arbitration and the bully will be given a chance to
>> improve. The union will fight any dismissals. It's really hard to rid
>> of people. 
> 
> But if they spend their time bullying other people they can't also be
> doing their job properly... So fire them for incompetence.

Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
> 
>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he molested a kid
>>>> at his wife's daycare. The day before he came back, we were all
>>>> herded into the boardroom and told that mentioning his crime or
>>>> being mean to him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be
>>>> fired. The system works.
>>> Clearly...
>>>
>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the company
>>> picnic, I take it.
>> 
>> I would advise against it. 
> 
> You are so wise...

It's the glasses, isn't it?