Re: Heating woes

On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]: 
> 
>> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>
>>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13, Merlyne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be pruny]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds like what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the bathtub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >> long] >>> [pruny sounds is what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when you eat too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to that]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [And here I thought it would be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>> conversation starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >> prunes is too many? I eat a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your detritus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  once ate an entire bag of black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not advisable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood pressure as well as delicious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation gets really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black or red -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither of those are boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white... anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks like it's been washed too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been washed too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little balls...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of the scull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingie and then you get it out of the box and see you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a Stryker saw. At this point, I've already opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box, so I can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't cheap. Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get part way around and realize I can't get my skull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store can help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut to size for DKK50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> they are perfectly competent. And willing to sanitise the
>>>>>>>>>>>> blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade has been.]
>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade, no}
>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>> ]
>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the cleaning
>>>>>> fee] 
>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic things]
>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection risk, so
>> it could be more expensive in the long run.]
> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
[Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best interest in
mind.]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I thought he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said my dress would look good on the floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway that sort of thing doesn't happen any more. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that scandal in the 30's, I think, and then all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 80's. They harrassed me (and other women) every day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the ones who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would never happen here. Except for the head of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major union. She had to resign recently, amid accusations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political parties who 'elected to spend more time with his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family' or something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used to laugh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it off. Nowadays the comments would be reported to HR.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can get away
>>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any tips on
>>>>>>>>> how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do this' - do
>>>>>>>> that. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People where
>>>>>>> asking too many questions. Having met other people, I assume that
>>>>>>> scheduling everybody into a session is a logistical nightmare.
>>>>>>> They switched it to an online course with case studies. One was
>>>>>>> about a woman who took a lower paying job in a department after
>>>>>>> being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was another woman who
>>>>>>> was mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of covering for
>>>>>>> you' and shoved the first woman into the wall when they were
>>>>>>> alone in the washroom and stuff like that. It probably triggered
>>>>>>> someone. Now the course is online and focuses on the broad
>>>>>>> definition of harrassment and what you should do if you are
>>>>>>> harrassed and the steps of the process to resolve the complaint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are witnesses and
>>>>> stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those he-said-she-said
>>>>> things. 
>>>>>
>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have harassers
>>>>>> going around in the work environment harassing people...
>>>>>>
>>>>                      /don't
>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially bullies.
>>>
>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than I type.
>>> Let's go with that.
>>>
>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>>>
>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and then it
>>> will go to arbitration and the bully will be given a chance to
>>> improve. The union will fight any dismissals. It's really hard to rid
>>> of people. 
>>
>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they can't also be
>> doing their job properly... So fire them for incompetence.
> 
> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>
>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he molested a kid
>>>>> at his wife's daycare. The day before he came back, we were all
>>>>> herded into the boardroom and told that mentioning his crime or
>>>>> being mean to him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be
>>>>> fired. The system works.
>>>> Clearly...
>>>>
>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the company
>>>> picnic, I take it.
>>>
>>> I would advise against it. 
>>
>> You are so wise...
> 
> It's the glasses, isn't it?

That, and the professional attire.

-- 
BeH

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