Re: Heating woes

On 01.08.2023 13.32, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]: 
> 
>> On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>
>>>> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023 13.13,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merlyne 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be pruny]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds like what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the bathtub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >> long] >>> [pruny sounds is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >> happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when you eat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >>>> many >> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to that]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [And here I thought it would be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>> conversation starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >> prunes is too many? I eat a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few >> every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your detritus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  once ate an entire bag of black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not advisable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood pressure as well as delicious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really > boring after a while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring then]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'll check if they have that next time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black or red
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - neither of those are boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring? Grey?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [As colours go. Beige, off-white... anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks like it's been washed too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been washed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out. Or in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little balls...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scull first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the massage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thingie and then you get it out of the box and see you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a Stryker saw. At this point, I've already opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box, so I can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't cheap. Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get part way around and realize I can't get my skull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut to size for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are perfectly competent. And willing to sanitise the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade has
>>>>>>>>>>>> been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty blade, no}
>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the cleaning
>>>>>>>> fee] 
>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic things]
>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection risk,
>>>> so it could be more expensive in the long run.]
>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best interest
>> in mind.]
> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
[It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But that's
CAPITALISM for you]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I thought he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said my dress would look good on the floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway that sort of thing doesn't happen any more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was that scandal in the 30's, I think, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all that nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT cluster back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the 80's. They harrassed me (and other women) every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. Well, the ones who weren't too scared to talk to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girl did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing. Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would never happen here. Except for the head of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major union. She had to resign recently, amid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusations of bullying and harassment. And the bigwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one of the political parties who 'elected to spend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more time with his family' or something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh it off. Nowadays the comments would be reported to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can get away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give any tips
>>>>>>>>>>> on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do this' - do
>>>>>>>>>> that. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom. People where
>>>>>>>>> asking too many questions. Having met other people, I assume
>>>>>>>>> that scheduling everybody into a session is a logistical
>>>>>>>>> nightmare. They switched it to an online course with case
>>>>>>>>> studies. One was about a woman who took a lower paying job in a
>>>>>>>>> department after being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker
>>>>>>>>> was another woman who was mean to her and said things like 'I'm
>>>>>>>>> sick of covering for you' and shoved the first woman into the
>>>>>>>>> wall when they were alone in the washroom and stuff like that.
>>>>>>>>> It probably triggered someone. Now the course is online and
>>>>>>>>> focuses on the broad definition of harrassment and what you
>>>>>>>>> should do if you are harrassed and the steps of the process to
>>>>>>>>> resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are witnesses
>>>>>>> and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those he-said-she-said
>>>>>>> things. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have harassers
>>>>>>>> going around in the work environment harassing people...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially bullies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than I type.
>>>>> Let's go with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and then it
>>>>> will go to arbitration and the bully will be given a chance to
>>>>> improve. The union will fight any dismissals. It's really hard to
>>>>> rid of people. 
>>>>
>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they can't also
>>>> be doing their job properly... So fire them for incompetence.
>>>
>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>
>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he molested a
>>>>>>> kid at his wife's daycare. The day before he came back, we were
>>>>>>> all herded into the boardroom and told that mentioning his crime
>>>>>>> or being mean to him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be
>>>>>>> fired. The system works.
>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the company
>>>>>> picnic, I take it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>
>>>> You are so wise...
>>>
>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>
>> That, and the professional attire.
>>
> 
> Don't mock the yoga pants!

I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not on me, though)

-- 
BeH

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