Re: Heating woes

BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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> On 18.08.2023 14.51, Merlyne wrote:
>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>> On 13.08.2023 23.28, Merlyne wrote:
>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>> On 09.08.2023 14.19, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>> On 01.08.2023 13.32, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>> On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>13.13, >>>>>>>> Merlyne 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pruny] >>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>> what happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bathtub 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >> long] >>> [pruny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sounds >> is >>>>>> what >> happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you >>>> eat >>>> too >>>> many >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that] >>>>>>>>> [And here I thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> would be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>> good >>> conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How >>>>>> many >> prunes is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many? I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat a >>>> few >> every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detritus 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>most >>>>>>>> things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  once ate an entire bag of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>> licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>advisable. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>> blood pressure as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as >>>> delicious. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gets >>>>>>>> really > boring after a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then] >>>>>>> [I'll check if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that next 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>use >> a >>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>> red - neither of those are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grey?] >>> [As colours go. Beige,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>off-white... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that looks like it's been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too many times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>boring > colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or in... something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scull first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and see you need a Stryker saw. At this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, I've already opened the box, so I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send it back for a refund. The replacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blades for that thing aren't cheap. Then I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can help you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are perfectly competent. And willing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sanitise the blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade, no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic
>>>>>>>>>>>> things] 
>>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection
>>>>>>>>>>> risk, so it could be more expensive in the long run.]
>>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best
>>>>>>>>> interest in mind.]
>>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But
>>>>>>> that's CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath the
>>>>> Red Banner?]
>>>> [Nope]
>>> [I give up, then. What song?]
>> [99 Red Balloons]
> 
> But that's not even about capitalism...

I know. I just like the song.

> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30's, I think, and then all that nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster back in the 80's. They harrassed me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and other women) every day. Well, the ones who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weren't too scared to talk to a girl did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like that would never happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for the head of a major union. She had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resign recently, amid accusations of bullying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and harassment. And the bigwig in one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political parties who 'elected to spend more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time with his family' or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get away with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People where asking too many questions. Having met
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people, I assume that scheduling everybody into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> session is a logistical nightmare. They switched it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an online course with case studies. One was about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman who took a lower paying job in a department after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman who was mean to her and said things like 'I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sick of covering for you' and shoved the first woman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the wall when they were alone in the washroom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff like that. It probably triggered someone. Now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is online and focuses on the broad definition of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and what you should do if you are harrassed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the steps of the process to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassers going around in the work environment harassing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than
>>>>>>>>>>>> I type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then it will go to arbitration and the bully will be given
>>>>>>>>>>>> a chance to improve. The union will fight any dismissals.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they
>>>>>>>>>>> can't also be doing their job properly... So fire them for
>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came back, we were all herded into the boardroom and told
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mentioning his crime or being mean to him was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and anyone doing so would be fired. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not on
>>>>>>> me, though) 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into the
>>>>>> office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>>> Pretty sure.
>>>
>>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have called me
>>> wise lately...
>>>
>> You need to go out and socialize.
> 
> I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm going
> out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.
> 
A wise decision.
Well, except for the tobacco.