Re: Heating woes

On 24.08.2023 16.55, Merlyne wrote:
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>> On 18.08.2023 14.51, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>> On 13.08.2023 23.28, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>> On 09.08.2023 14.19, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 01.08.2023 13.32, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.05.2023
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.13, >>>>>>>> Merlyne 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [pruned]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [how spring-like]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ['tis the season to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pruny] >>>>>>>>>> [pruny sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>> what happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>> one  stays in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bathtub 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too >> long] >>> [pruny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds >> is >>>>>> what >> happens 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>> restroom when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>> eat >>>> too >>>> many >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prunes.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I have nothing to add to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that] >>>>>>>>> [And here I thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> would be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>> good >>> conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starter.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How >>>>>> many >> prunes is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many? I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat a >>>> few >> every >> day] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If either you or your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detritus 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>> running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have had too many.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could say that about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  once ate an entire bag of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>> licorce 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one sitting. Not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advisable. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in moderation except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderation...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Licorice is great for raising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>> blood pressure as well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>> delicious. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also unmoderated moderation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>> really > boring after a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Does it? Colour me boring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then] >>>>>>> [I'll check if they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that next 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > I'm in the paint store.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I was hoping you were going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >> a >>>> marker] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The only markers I have are black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>> red - neither of those are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [What do you consider boring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey?] >>> [As colours go. Beige,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-white... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that looks like it's been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too many times] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe I already look like I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washed too much] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Is that why you think you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boring > colour?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [It was more about moderation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Sometimes you just have to go all out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or in... something like that] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those brane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scull first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box and see you need a Stryker saw. At this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, I've already opened the box, so I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send it back for a refund. The replacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blades for that thing aren't cheap. Then I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can help you out. If I buy wood I can get it cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow human,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are perfectly competent. And willing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sanitise the blade for a nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that blade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade, no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things] 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an infection
>>>>>>>>>>>> risk, so it could be more expensive in the long run.]
>>>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>>>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best
>>>>>>>>>> interest in mind.]
>>>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But
>>>>>>>> that's CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath the
>>>>>> Red Banner?]
>>>>> [Nope]
>>>> [I give up, then. What song?]
>>> [99 Red Balloons]
>>
>> But that's not even about capitalism...
> 
> I know. I just like the song.
{opium for the working classes... bread and circus... similar catchy
phrases of pedantic disapproval}
Did you know that "Hagen" is danish for 'the chin'.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30's, I think, and then all that nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster back in the 80's. They harrassed me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and other women) every day. Well, the ones who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weren't too scared to talk to a girl did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like that would never happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for the head of a major union. She had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resign recently, amid accusations of bullying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and harassment. And the bigwig in one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political parties who 'elected to spend more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time with his family' or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassment. People who gain power think they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get away with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People where asking too many questions. Having met
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people, I assume that scheduling everybody into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> session is a logistical nightmare. They switched it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an online course with case studies. One was about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman who took a lower paying job in a department after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman who was mean to her and said things like 'I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sick of covering for you' and shoved the first woman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the wall when they were alone in the washroom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff like that. It probably triggered someone. Now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is online and focuses on the broad definition of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and what you should do if you are harrassed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the steps of the process to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassers going around in the work environment harassing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain employed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it will go to arbitration and the bully will be given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a chance to improve. The union will fight any dismissals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't also be doing their job properly... So fire them for
>>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came back, we were all herded into the boardroom and told
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mentioning his crime or being mean to him was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and anyone doing so would be fired. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not on
>>>>>>>> me, though) 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into the
>>>>>>> office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>>>> Pretty sure.
>>>>
>>>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have called me
>>>> wise lately...
>>>>
>>> You need to go out and socialize.
>>
>> I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm going
>> out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.
>>
> A wise decision.
A bare necessity...

> Well, except for the tobacco.
Had I not bought tobacco, I would shortly thereafter have been without
any tobacco, which would have been a bad (and unwise) thing.

-- 
BeH

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