Re: Heating woes

On 30.08.2023 14.42, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]: 
> 
>> On 24.08.2023 16.55, Merlyne wrote:
[Unmessyness achieved]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brane massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the scull first for the best results]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and see you need a Stryker saw. At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this point, I've already opened the box, so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap. Then I get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store can help you out. If I buy wood I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it cut to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human, I'm sure they are perfectly competent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And willing to sanitise the blade for a nominal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade, no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced parenthesises*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not cosmetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection risk, so it could be more expensive in the long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance company?]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your best
>>>>>>>>>>>> interest in mind.]
>>>>>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But
>>>>>>>>>> that's CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>>>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath the
>>>>>>>> Red Banner?]
>>>>>>> [Nope]
>>>>>> [I give up, then. What song?]
>>>>> [99 Red Balloons]
>>>>
>>>> But that's not even about capitalism...
>>>
>>> I know. I just like the song.
>> {opium for the working classes... bread and circus... similar catchy
>> phrases of pedantic disapproval}
> 
> I see -- you dislike my taste in music.
It has nothing to do with your taste in music. The important bit is how
evil and dangerous not good capitalism is.
> 
>> Did you know that "Hagen" is danish for 'the chin'.
> 
> Wow! Fascinating...
> Isn't Hagen an aquarium supply company?

No idea. I don't have an acuarium...

>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 30's, I think, and then all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster back in the 80's. They harrassed me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and other women) every day. Well, the ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like that would never happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for the head of a major union. She had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to resign recently, amid accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the political parties who 'elected to spend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more time with his family' or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexual harassment. People who gain power think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can get away with stuff. Down with power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People where asking too many questions. Having met
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people, I assume that scheduling everybody into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a session is a logistical nightmare. They switched it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to an online course with case studies. One was about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a woman who took a lower paying job in a department
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after being harrassed by a coworker. The coworker was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another woman who was mean to her and said things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like 'I'm sick of covering for you' and shoved the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first woman into the wall when they were alone in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> washroom and stuff like that. It probably triggered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone. Now the course is online and focuses on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broad definition of harrassment and what you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do if you are harrassed and the steps of the process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassers going around in the work environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassing people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than I type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then it will go to arbitration and the bully will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a chance to improve. The union will fight any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissals. It's really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't also be doing their job properly... So fire them for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came back, we were all herded into the boardroom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told that mentioning his crime or being mean to him was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harrassment and anyone doing so would be fired. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not on
>>>>>>>>>> me, though) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into the
>>>>>>>>> office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>>>>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>>>>>> Pretty sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have called
>>>>>> me wise lately...
>>>>>>
>>>>> You need to go out and socialize.
>>>>
>>>> I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm
>>>> going out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.
>>>>
>>> A wise decision.
>> A bare necessity...
> 
> Yep. Food, water and sex are at the bottom of the needs pyramid.
I was referring to the tobacco, but I guess that other stuff is
important too.

>>> Well, except for the tobacco.
>> Had I not bought tobacco, I would shortly thereafter have been without
>> any tobacco, which would have been a bad (and unwise) thing.
>>
> 
> There are few things more unwise than consuming tobacco products.
Commenting on other people's consumption of tobacco products being one
of them, probably.

-- 
BeH

" We are trapped by language to such a degree that every attempt to
formulate insight is a play on words." - Niels Bohr