Re: Heating woes

BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]: 

> On 30.08.2023 14.42, Merlyne wrote:
>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]: 
>> 
>>> On 24.08.2023 16.55, Merlyne wrote:
> [Unmessyness achieved]
[A half-assed job]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brane massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of the scull first for the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and see you need a Stryker saw. At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this point, I've already opened the box, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap. Then I get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store can help you out. If I buy wood I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it cut to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human, I'm sure they are perfectly competent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And willing to sanitise the blade for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade, no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parenthesises* 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetic things] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection risk, so it could be more expensive in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long run.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best interest in mind.]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But
>>>>>>>>>>> that's CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>>>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>>>>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath
>>>>>>>>> the Red Banner?]
>>>>>>>> [Nope]
>>>>>>> [I give up, then. What song?]
>>>>>> [99 Red Balloons]
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's not even about capitalism...
>>>>
>>>> I know. I just like the song.
>>> {opium for the working classes... bread and circus... similar catchy
>>> phrases of pedantic disapproval}
>> 
>> I see -- you dislike my taste in music.
> It has nothing to do with your taste in music. The important bit is
> how evil and dangerous not good capitalism is.

Please explain how 99 Red Balloons proves that.

>> 
>>> Did you know that "Hagen" is danish for 'the chin'.
>> 
>> Wow! Fascinating...
>> Isn't Hagen an aquarium supply company?
> 
> No idea. I don't have an acuarium...
Or a spel chekur
> 
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 30's, I think, and then all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster back in the 80's. They harrassed me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and other women) every day. Well, the ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like that would never happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for the head of a major union. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to resign recently, amid accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the political parties who 'elected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend more time with his family' or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexual harassment. People who gain power think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can get away with stuff. Down with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give any tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People where asking too many questions. Having met
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people, I assume that scheduling everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a session is a logistical nightmare. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switched it to an online course with case studies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One was about a woman who took a lower paying job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a department after being harrassed by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coworker. The coworker was another woman who was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> covering for you' and shoved the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first woman into the wall when they were alone in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the washroom and stuff like that. It probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triggered someone. Now the course is online and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focuses on the broad definition of harrassment and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you should do if you are harrassed and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps of the process to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have harassers going around in the work environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassing people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than I type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then it will go to arbitration and the bully will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a chance to improve. The union will fight any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissals. It's really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't also be doing their job properly... So fire them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he came back, we were all herded into the boardroom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and told that mentioning his crime or being mean to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fired. The system works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not
>>>>>>>>>>> on me, though) 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into
>>>>>>>>>> the office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get
>>>>>>>>>> home. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>>>>>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>>>>>>> Pretty sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have
>>>>>>> called me wise lately...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to go out and socialize.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm
>>>>> going out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.
>>>>>
>>>> A wise decision.
>>> A bare necessity...
>> 
>> Yep. Food, water and sex are at the bottom of the needs pyramid.
> I was referring to the tobacco, but I guess that other stuff is
> important too.
> 
>>>> Well, except for the tobacco.
>>> Had I not bought tobacco, I would shortly thereafter have been
>>> without any tobacco, which would have been a bad (and unwise) thing.
>>>
>> 
>> There are few things more unwise than consuming tobacco products.
> Commenting on other people's consumption of tobacco products being one
> of them, probably.
> 
Really? What are you going to do about it?