Re: Heating woes

On 06.09.2023 14.22, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]: 
> 
>> On 30.08.2023 14.42, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>
>>>> On 24.08.2023 16.55, Merlyne wrote:
>> [Unmessyness achieved]
> [A half-assed job]
[The unmessying of a usenet thread is a neverending task.]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [My brane hurts]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You really should get one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brane massage thingies] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Which?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The ones with the wires and the little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balls... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ERROR: Expecting a ].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Aren't those for massaging the scalp?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Well, you obviously have to remove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of the scull first for the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There's always a catch. First you need the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massage thingie and then you get it out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the box and see you need a Stryker saw. At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this point, I've already opened the box, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't send it back for a refund. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement blades for that thing aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap. Then I get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part way around and realize I can't get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull undone at the back] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Maybe the friendly people at the hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store can help you out. If I buy wood I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it cut to size for DKK50 per cut...] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I don't want someone who cuts wood for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living playing around with my  skull]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You should have some faith in your fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human, I'm sure they are perfectly competent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And willing to sanitise the blade for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nominal fee.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Hard pass]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [If you prefer. But you don't know where that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade has been.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*runs away*]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [There really is no way to please you, is there?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Not when it comes to opening my head with a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blade, no} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crying and shaking from TWO unbalanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parenthesises* 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The rusty part is on you, though, if you won't pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cleaning fee] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Can I borrow some money? I'm a bit short right now]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Doesn't your health insurance cover de-rusting?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I doubt it. It covers only the essentials, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetic things] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [You could argue that not un-rusting the saw is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection risk, so it could be more expensive in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long run.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Have you every tried to argue with an insurance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company?] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Nope. But I'm sure they are all nice people with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best interest in mind.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I'm sure their profits are ahead of my welfare]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [It must be a miserable life to have mindset like that. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's CAPITALISM for you]
>>>>>>>>>>> [Money makes the world go around. I feel a song coming on]
>>>>>>>>>> [Is it the Internationale? Or maybe Le Marseillaise? Beneath
>>>>>>>>>> the Red Banner?]
>>>>>>>>> [Nope]
>>>>>>>> [I give up, then. What song?]
>>>>>>> [99 Red Balloons]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that's not even about capitalism...
>>>>>
>>>>> I know. I just like the song.
>>>> {opium for the working classes... bread and circus... similar catchy
>>>> phrases of pedantic disapproval}
>>>
>>> I see -- you dislike my taste in music.
>> It has nothing to do with your taste in music. The important bit is
>> how evil and dangerous not good capitalism is.
> 
> Please explain how 99 Red Balloons proves that.
It doesn't. That's sort of the point. Those other songs at least attempt
to address the evilness.

>>>> Did you know that "Hagen" is danish for 'the chin'.
>>>
>>> Wow! Fascinating...
>>> Isn't Hagen an aquarium supply company?
>>
>> No idea. I don't have an acuarium...
> Or a spel chekur
Or good lighting for the keybored....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [semantics no more]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Huh?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Left on the editor's floor]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I must have misunderstood the editor. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought he said my dress would look good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the floor] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I would think that's more of a producer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment. Anyway that sort of thing doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen any more. There was that scandal in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 30's, I think, and then all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense stopped.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Yeah, right. I used to sit beside the IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluster back in the 80's. They harrassed me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and other women) every day. Well, the ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who weren't too scared to talk to a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [That must be a uniquely Canadian thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like that would never happen here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except for the head of a major union. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to resign recently, amid accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullying and harassment. And the bigwig in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the political parties who 'elected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend more time with his family' or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something not long ago.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [By harassment, I meant sexual harassment. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to laugh it off. Nowadays the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be reported to HR.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Both examples above included/consisted of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sexual harassment. People who gain power think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can get away with stuff. Down with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power.] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I've never had my job threatened]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Try harassing someone. That may work.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [The harrassment courses that we to take don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give any tips on how to harrass someone.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure they do. All the stuff where it says 'Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do this' - do that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't really do that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first time we took it, it was in a classroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People where asking too many questions. Having met
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people, I assume that scheduling everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a session is a logistical nightmare. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switched it to an online course with case studies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One was about a woman who took a lower paying job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a department after being harrassed by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coworker. The coworker was another woman who was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean to her and said things like 'I'm sick of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> covering for you' and shoved the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first woman into the wall when they were alone in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the washroom and stuff like that. It probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triggered someone. Now the course is online and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focuses on the broad definition of harrassment and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you should do if you are harrassed and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps of the process to resolve the complaint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like it's the victims responsibility now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they don't take it seriously unless there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses and stuff. Otherwise it turns into one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those he-said-she-said things. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One radical idea I just came up with is just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have harassers going around in the work environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harassing people... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      /don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, you control other people especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I missed a word, which I do often since I think faster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than I type. Let's go with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody surely controls whether they are/remain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. But you have a prove a case with Labour Relations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then it will go to arbitration and the bully will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a chance to improve. The union will fight any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissals. It's really hard to rid of people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if they spend their time bullying other people they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't also be doing their job properly... So fire them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for incompetence. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. That is also an uphill battle. *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Years ago, a co-worker spent time in jail because he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> molested a kid at his wife's daycare. The day before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he came back, we were all herded into the boardroom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and told that mentioning his crime or being mean to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him was harrassment and anyone doing so would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fired. The system works. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So not the guy assigned to look after the kids at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company picnic, I take it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would advise against it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so wise...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the glasses, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That, and the professional attire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't mock the yoga pants!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not. Not at all. I'm all in favour of yoga pants. (Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> on me, though) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do wear casual business attire on the days when I go into
>>>>>>>>>>> the office. But I change into my pajamas as soon as I get
>>>>>>>>>>> home. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Who doesn't look wise in pajamas?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I look comfy. And probably tired.
>>>>>>>>> The 'wise' part is from the glasses and silver hair.
>>>>>>>>> Pretty sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dunno. I have glasses and some silver hair - nobody have
>>>>>>>> called me wise lately...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to go out and socialize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm busy. Anyway I go out all the time. Tomorrow for example I'm
>>>>>> going out to buy tobacco. And food, probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A wise decision.
>>>> A bare necessity...
>>>
>>> Yep. Food, water and sex are at the bottom of the needs pyramid.
>> I was referring to the tobacco, but I guess that other stuff is
>> important too.
>>
>>>>> Well, except for the tobacco.
>>>> Had I not bought tobacco, I would shortly thereafter have been
>>>> without any tobacco, which would have been a bad (and unwise) thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are few things more unwise than consuming tobacco products.
>> Commenting on other people's consumption of tobacco products being one
>> of them, probably.
>>
> Really? What are you going to do about it?

Probably nothing, since I'm nice and relaxed due to having a sufficient
amount of tobacco for now.

-- 
BeH

" We are trapped by language to such a degree that every attempt to
formulate insight is a play on words." - Niels Bohr