Re: In other news
BeH <[email protected]> Sat, 21 Oct 2023 23:27:51 +0200
| Newsgroups | alt.acme.exploding.newsgroup |
|---|---|
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <[email protected]> |
On 18.10.2023 13.55, Merlyne wrote: > BeH <[email protected]> wrote in > news:[email protected]: > >> On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote: >>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in >>> news:[email protected]: >>> >>>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote: >>>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in >>>>> news:[email protected]: >>>>> >>>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote: >>>> [---] >>> [****] >> [^^^] > [%%] [€€€€] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here have some Gatorade. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mmmmm... electrolytes. (I've never actually tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gatorade.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think my Dad bought some in the 70's when it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> green sea water. It's pretty gross. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the stuff they have now is full of sugar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, sports people need their energy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a guess - it's mostly non-sports people who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drink it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the sports people/teams who are sponsored by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, I bet. At least when they are on teevee. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the Gatorade container is filled with water. At least >>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what it looks like when they dump it on the winning >>>>>>>>>>>>> coach. >>>>>>>>>>>> One would hope so, given the stickyness of sugary drinks... >>>>>>>>>>> But you never know... >>>>>>>>>> That may be what happened to that Spanish womens football >>>>>>>>>> coach... >>>>>>>>> He got drunk on fermented Gatorade and kissed one of the >>>>>>>>> players? >>>>>>>> Or maybe he was covered in sticky Gatorade and unwittingly was >>>>>>>> sticking to the players mouth... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should send these excuses to him. For a fee. >>>>>> To late now. He has already been 'released'... >>>>> Still. There might be a hearing. Or a charge in 20 years when the >>>>> player is suddenly traumatized by a repressed memory. >>>> There have been very little opportunity to repress any memory in >>>> this particular case. >>>> >>> You don't know. >> I read the news. I'm confident in my statement. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> season. Ugh! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reference for the chance to win a modest prize) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiocracy? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is so exciting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some around here somewhere. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm so excited. I never win anything. I have to pee! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what they say: You can't win unless you play. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should start doing some sportsball or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something... After you are done peeing, obviously. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't picture me playing team sports. >>>>>>>>>>>> There are types of sportsball where you play alone (against >>>>>>>>>>>> an opponent, obviously). Also without team sport you don't >>>>>>>>>>>> get to imbibe the team spirit... >>>>>>>>>>> No. I get that at work. >>>>>>>>>> Oohh! do you get to go on retreats and play stupid games too? >>>>>>>>>> (Made up by a genuine behaviourist sociologist.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Before COVID, we had stupid team building exercises. >>>>>>>>> One time a manager brought in a bag of carrots and tried to get >>>>>>>>> us all to go outside and make a snowman. >>>>>>>> This was in winter, one assumes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're so SMRT. >>>>>> It was a natural inference. >>>>> I didn't want to point out the difficulty in making a snowman in >>>>> non- winter months. WORSE.TEAM-BUILDING EXERCISE.EVER. >>>> I dunno. It challenges the participants' ingenuity... Also if it's >>>> hot a good deal of co-operation is required. >>>> >>> Good luck finding snow in July. >> *opens freezer* *forms ball from sediments* >>> I'll be at the pub if anyone needs me. >> Oh, there you are... *throws* >> > Ow! > Why'd you pelt me with a giant ice ball? It wasn't that giant - and to show what can be accomplished if one put their mind to it. > > I guess you don't have a frost-free freezer then. It would do much good if it was... freezing wise. >>>>>>>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was >>>>>>>>> supposed to take home for the weekend and then share the toys >>>>>>>>> adventures with the rest of the team. >>>>>>>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me >>>>>>>> the stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing >>>>>>>> laundry and watching telly. Very adventurous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to >>>>>>> find an identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy. >>>>>> Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you >>>>>> would spare your remaining colleagues the effort. >>>>>> >>>>> Or the trauma when they find out that the beloved mascot is no >>>>> more. Anyays, I never brought the toy home so I got to spend my >>>>> weekends doing fun things like laundry and watching tv. >>>> You aren't really very good at that whole team spirit thing, are >>>> you? >>>> >>> Besides the fact that my parents raise me to be an individual, I >>> really can't get into lame party games and things of that nature. >> But.. It's designed to demonstrate that things work better if you >> cooperate. >> > Some things work well, some things don't. > I think I can decide when I need help. Consider that the other team-workers may not be so self-sufficient and may need the exercise to be confident that they can ask you for help when needed. >>>>>>>>> During COVID, they tried a bunch of virtual events because they >>>>>>>>> think we are retarded 6 year olds. Show 'n' tell, anyone? >>>>>>>> I don't remember most of the stupid tasks we were given at those >>>>>>>> sessions. Most of they were to do with working as a team, and >>>>>>>> everyone was faffing about getting nowhere until someone took >>>>>>>> charge and started giving orders. More often than I care to >>>>>>>> remember someone being me - just to get the thing over with. >>>>>>>> Great way to consolidate respect for section managers and such >>>>>>>> who was doing their fair share of faffing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The formal team building thingees that I've been to have a >>>>>>> facilitator who gets the ball rolling. Sometimes literally. I was >>>>>>> at one where participants were not allowed to speak unless they >>>>>>> were holding the ball. >>>>>> Yeah, that's pretty typical. I think they use something similar in >>>>>> pre-school... >>>>> Makes sense. They treat us like we are retarded 6 yr olds. >>>> To be fair the 'talking stick' (or ball, whatever) is an ancient >>>> method of keeping order in assemblies - predating the mute-button by >>>> many centuries. >>>> >>> I'm in favour of it. >>> Of course the way things are these days, using the 'mute' button on >>> someone would be viewed as a microaggression and would require >>> everyone to attend a meeting about how microagressions are wrong. >> Talking over each other is also a microagression. You are going to >> need more meetings. >> > NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I remember when microaggressions were about racist or sexist things... But that sort of things don't happen any more...? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do show Colombo (again) but late at night >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I still remember all the plots from last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember all the Columbo plots. Doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter since they show you who did at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of the show. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but Colombo is more about howdonit than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whodunit... and Colombo pretending to be dumb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but really being very smart of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more thing... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah, it must have slipped my mind for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have Acorn and BritBox now so I can catch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on all my British murder mystery shows. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel with the writer and actor strike that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may be a long tv show drought. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get BritBox as well (on that streaming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service). They have Yes Minister/Prime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Minister. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never watched that one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a good introduction into how gubbernment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *really* works... sort of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to finish Good Omens and then watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest season of The Witcher. The next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> season of The Wheel of time starts September 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did see a Canadian police series in french. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It had all the right characters: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - a neuro-divergent sketch artist with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'amazing' abilities, - a wheel-chair bound, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> female chief always wearing a baseball cap, - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a young arab gay forensic investigator, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semi-alcoholic older detective who broke all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rules (violently) - a middle aged female >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> researcher, who was a former elite hacker. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that was just the Good Guys(tm). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know that one. I used to watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'District 31' when I was on language training. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Portrait Robot' in Canadian. ('The Sketch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artist' in 'danish'). I don't know 'District 31' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I do have a Belgian series of all things, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all about sex-crimes.. in Flemish language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And speaking of programming, I wrote a Python >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program today without taking a course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had no idea you were a parseltongue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I had to do something after I failed out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of wizard school. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that even possible. I thought you would just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to take the year again. Or become Key >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warden or something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But eventually they found out that I'm too stupid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a wizard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that even possible? I thought it's an innate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability for those whom it is gifted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm more of a Rincewind type of wizard or not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gifted at all. Smoke and mirrors! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar. Or _a_ familiar for that matter... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what the cats are for. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no cat. Also no wizardry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a cat. It does what it wants. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with the behaviour of cats. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not familiar with the rules of being a familiar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me either. But that's okay since I'm not a cat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-compiler for gcc again and think of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to code in it... Something with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of things happening at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you won't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will. Some day... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right after you build that water feature in your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yard, I'm sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I won't be able to work on the water feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in winter, so I could do the installing then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that when you are painting the living room? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *snickers* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No that was this spring, theoretically... Or next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring. Some time when I can keep the doors and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows open. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyhoo.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should learn Python so that you can nitpit my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What made you think that I don't know Python? (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't, but still) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a calculated risk. It was created after you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left school and were a fully functioning adult with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular day job. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yebbut I was reasonably capable of learning several >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programming languages for many years after that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As did I. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think once MS took over the workplace, most people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned VB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And some probably even learned a programming language as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I usually end up teaching myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas I on several occasions ended up teaching others... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't taught anyone to program, but I do end up >>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing other people's code. I get questions about 'How >>>>>>>>>>>>> do I do thing X?' I have one programmer who can't program >>>>>>>>>>>>> from scratch. I usually have to meet with him and outline >>>>>>>>>>>>> step 1, step 2 etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> But you are supposed to learn that in programmer school...? >>>>>>>>>>> I think his degree is in Philosophy or History or something >>>>>>>>>>> non- programming. How he got into this line of work, I'll >>>>>>>>>>> never know. He told me his dream job would be to work on >>>>>>>>>>> video games. He would die in that job. >>>>>>>>>> Probably. How he got the job: probably the same way as >>>>>>>>>> everyone else - lied on his resume... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be impressed if that were the case. This one has about >>>>>>>>> 0 initiative. >>>>>>>> Maybe you could assign him to go to all the meetings...? Just >>>>>>>> tell him to say "No". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He doesn't speak at meetings. Then he would come back and >>>>>>> wouldn't remember what went on at the meeting. >>>>>> Make him a sign that says 'NO' to bring. Or better yet a t-shirt. >>>>>> Then he won't forget to display it. The important thing is to have >>>>>> the 'NO' represented. >>>>> I'll try that. He will think I'm joking and laugh. >>>> As long as he doesn't laugh during the meeting. You don't want the >>>> other participants to think it's a joke. >>>> >>> He laughs at meetings when I go off on a rant. >>> But then a lot of people do. >> Mute them. >> > Why? I like the attention. Doesn't it interrupt your train of thought having people laugh in the middle of your rant? >>>>>> Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the >>>>>> intranet. Probably. >>>>> Not usually. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something >>>>>>>>>>>>> when all they need is the coalesce function. >>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M? >>>>>>>>>>> No one does that. >>>>>>>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More >>>>>>>>>> people should RTM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You lost the F! >>>>>>>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F >>>>>>>> involved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which never happens. >>>>>> You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual? >>>>>> >>>>> Yes. Or least when it's not urgent. >>>> Tsk-tsk. What is the world coming to... >>> How about you read the manuals and then give me an executive summary >>> about them? >> You mean as in teamwork? Co-operating for better efficiency like you >> learned at the seminar? >> > I learnt nothing at the seminar. > I snuck out at the bathroom break. Tsk-tsk. I guess you'll have to read the manual yourself then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position of relative ignorance? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different but logic is forever... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panicking about having to learn Python or R. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can program, you can do it in any language. You just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to learn to syntax. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piece of cake. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind. Anything else, will be googled. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But... your productivity!!1! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All pensionable time! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want me to be more productive, they need to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me more staff and stop assigning me extra work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your productivity isn't going to increase if you run out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of work to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That will never happen. When we are understaffed, I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> have time to focus on my own work. All the work has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed amongst the existing staff. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Delegation is work, though. Particularly if you have staff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's a delicate balanacing act. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Another reason why wearing heels to work is a bad idea? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I definitely wobble less in flat shoes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of several reasons why I never wore high heels to work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heels are my way of elevating myself aove the frey. >>>>>>> Plus I'm 5'5". >>>>>> Okay, shorty... >>>>>> >>>>> Isn't that USian slang for GF? >>>> Not that I've heard/read. I believe it's slang for a short person. >>>> >>> >>> shorty or short�ie [ shawr-tee ] >>> >>> noun,plural short�ies. >>> a person of less than average stature (sometimes used as a >>> disparaging and offensive term of address). >>> >>> a garment designed to be of short length, as a hospital bed jacket. >>> >>> Also shaw�ty [shaw-tee] .Slang. >>> >>> a girl or woman: >>> We watched the shorties on the dance floor, all lookin' so fine. >>> >>> a girlfriend or sweetheart: >>> Me and my shorty went to that new club over on Ninth last night; what >>> a scene! >>> >>> adjective >>> noting a garment designed to be of short length: >>> a shorty nightgown; shorty pajamas. >> >> I can't keep up with all the slang the young people use these days. >> > > You should. It changes too fast for me in all the languages - in any case I was never on fleek even when I was younger. I was rather fetch, though, if I say so myself. >>>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women. >>>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75"). >>>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement for >>>> joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it >>>> discriminated against women. The requirement for women was higher >>>> than average height while the requirement for men was lower that >>>> average men's height. >>>> >>>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high command. >>>> >>> >>> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely when >>> visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano. >> >> Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They are >> more likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs. >> > > I'm getting a vibe that you don't want me to visit :( I don't expect you to buy any of my tacky plastic souvenirs. > So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan. > >>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that more >>> women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a burning >>> building by a 96 lb woman. >> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need >> rescuing all the time. >> > The leprechaun tells me to burn things. Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have your best interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun. -- BeH " We are trapped by language to such a degree that every attempt to formulate insight is a play on words." - Niels Bohr