Re: Crossed the threshhold

On 07.01.2024 23.21, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]: 
> 
>> On 18.12.2023 20.45, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>
>>>> On 29.11.2023 15.37, Merlyne wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [*munch* Mmmm crunchy usenet post]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Never mind. So obelisks. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> egyptians made a lot of those back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>> the day. And then the English
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> french) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stole some of them. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascinating. Also very phallic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stealing obelisks? That's more of an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imperialistic thing, I would say. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obelisk envy. Definitely a guy thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't know... I don't feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprived. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I have no good place to put an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obelisk. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It definitely needs to go out by the road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where passersby can admire and/or steal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could put it where my tower used to be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose. ('My tower' being an old power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution hut they took down a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of years ago.) Also we don't get a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> englishers (or frenchers) around here so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely anyone will steal an obelisk. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stele on the other hand... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would steal a stele over an obelisk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the englishers (and the frenchers)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have done some stele stealing as well over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - when there were no obelisks around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately it's going to be a stelistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, innit? Also 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an obelisk is pretty unhandy to lug about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unobtrusively. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They would put it lying down in the back of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wagon, no? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they happen to have a wagon. Many of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign types coming by here are biking... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine it will be easy to take away a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stele on a bike without being noticed. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on how big it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are practical limits to how big a bike can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be... not least if it is to be powered the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper way: with people muscles. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you meant the size of the stele.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did, but the idea of a (cargo-)bike big enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry a stele - or an obelisk - appealed to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would probably have to be made of steel... for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sturdyness. Quite a job to get something like that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the hills. Especially laden with a stele. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the minimum stele size? Maybe we should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on stealing small steles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine there is a practical minimal size for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steles - a tiny rock isn't going to be very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impressive, and also it would likely be difficult to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still make out the inscriptions for old steles. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumpy stolen steles aren't as attractive in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tourist-trap sense as the bigger ones. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunno.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In 2020, people were really into those rocks that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids were painting and leaving in parks. Maybe we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could colourize a small one to make it more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attractive? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In 2020 people were really into going to parks in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general. Also painting a stele would compromise the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense of historical impact and thus the monetary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit. See how people reacted when museums started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying greek and roman sculpture with the original
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint scheme. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am unfamiliar with that, not being part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'museum' set. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been to a museum or two in my time. Not recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - they are all far away, except the local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tractor-museum. But anyway: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/see-the-
> vibrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 
>>>>>>> long-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed-colors-of-classical-sculptures-180980321/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! I like the gold torso.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See. Colour enhances them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was that 'important cultural people' for years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have lauded the pure aesthetics of the unadorned marble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neoclassicism - supposedly emulating the ancient greek and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roman art - and _then_ they found out it was supposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be painted in bright colours. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It makes them pretty!
>>>>>>>>>>>> But think of the cognitive dissonance. The trauma... Human
>>>>>>>>>>>> figures being skin-coloured. With brown hair and blue eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like people! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that beings without brown hair and blue eyes
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't people?
>>>>>>>>>>> Now I feel traumatized.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying -as and example- that some of the roman statues
>>>>>>>>>> were of people with brown hair and blue eyes originally,
>>>>>>>>>> because of some roman people had brown hair and blue eyes.
>>>>>>>>>> Other colours are available and equally valid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was just yanking your chain :-)
>>>>>>>> Chains were an accessory of a whole different segment of the
>>>>>>>> Roman population.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, familiar with how well received Ted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turner was when he colourized old movies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody clapped and cheered?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was trying to bring them to life and make them real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same thing applies to the steles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there are rules against smearing paint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on genuine archaeoligical artifacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one will know if it's genuine or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The people to whom it belonged before it was stolen will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know. And possibly some museum nerds too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Museum nerds don't go out and I'm not scared of some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long-dead viking. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been watching old Time Team episodes lately, and museum
>>>>>>>>>>>> nerds absolutely go out sometimes. Also the steles don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> belong to vikings - who are all long dead after all - they
>>>>>>>>>>>> belong to museums and foundations and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Bjorn again vikings?)
>>>>>>>>>> (Only the ones doing experimental archaeology)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I bet some private collectors have steles. Let's take those.
>>>>>>>>>> If we can find some that aren't locked up and/or alarmed...
>>>>>>>>>> Possibly somewhere in UK. I think most things that old is
>>>>>>>>>> state property by default around here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It keeps getting harder and harder to steal steles :(
>>>>>>>> Well if it was easy everyone would be doing it, with a stele
>>>>>>>> exhibit on every corner - and then where would by crappy plastic
>>>>>>>> souvenir business be. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that your plan?
>>>>>>> To have a stele exhibit once we steal one or several steles?
>>>>>> The plan is to profit. That's always the plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Can we have the stolen stele exhibit in a stell?
>>>> I suppose that will work. I would have to find somewhere else to put
>>>> the sheep while the exhibit is open. Mixing tourists with sheep will
>>>> only cause confusion.
>>>>
>>> If you leave the sheep out in the rain, they will shrink.
>> Not if I remember to stretch them out while they dry.
>>
> Might be interesting to watch...
Not really. A stretched sheep looks much like an unstretched sheep, only
broader.

>>>>>>> Can our tacky souvenirs be made of steel instead of plastic?
>>>>>> That would only make sense if I had a steel stele, and I don't
>>>>>> think they made those back in the day. Also it would make the
>>>>>> tacky souvenir production too expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, I didn't have you pegged as a rule follower.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a firm adherent to the principle of not getting caught
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking rules. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noted.Except for grammar rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are grammar rules?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course. There are rules for everything.
>>>>>>>>>>> You must wear pants in public.
>>>>>>>>>> I almost always do anyway, but that has nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>>> grammar. My late grandma almost exclusively wore dresses
>>>>>>>>>> though. so... 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *gasp*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup. Rebelliousness runs in the family. Or shuffles along in
>>>>>>>> slippers, really.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought you didn't wear slippers because you have weird feet.
>>>>>> I do not have weird feet. I always seem to get weird slippers is
>>>>>> the problem. Anyway it was my grandma wearing the slippers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And try to not split infinitives.
>>>>>>>>>> They say that. I learned recently that that is actually an
>>>>>>>>>> artificial rule introduced by some ponces, when english took
>>>>>>>>>> over from latin as the language of intellectuals (in England).
>>>>>>>>>> Along with some silly spelling to make it look more 'classic'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bet 90% of all grammar rules where introduced by ponces.
>>>>>>>> Not the german ones. They are very strict und muss unbedinkt
>>>>>>>> befolgt werden!!1!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy for you to say!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True enough. I'm smrt that way.
>>>>> I expect no less from Germans (or is it Germen?)
>>>> It's germans - but what has that got to do with me?
>>>>
>>> You're practically German.
>> I am very not German! You are thinking of Busternaut...
>>
> Nah. IIRC, he had a Swedish grandmother.
That's only marginally better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure you bring a tarp so that the stolen stele
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is stealth. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that is stipulated in the stele-stealing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is my understanding that stealthily stealing large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objects involves covering it up en route. Similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using carpets for moving bodies. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought the objective was to take the thing and get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away as fast as possible. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see the headline: 'The theives were captured as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they stood there fastening the tarp to the get-away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you plan to be apprehended while still on the site a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tarp probably isn't going to make any difference one way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or the other. The first principle of stele-stealing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do it without being seen. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get that. I didn't plan on getting caught. It was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side-effect of you farting around with the bike.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the bike is moving while you apply the tarp you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing it wrong. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously trying to affix a tarp on a moving bike in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible and ill-advised.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also nobody is likely to suspect someone on a bike, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is why the tarp is important to keep the stele out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to put up a signage on a busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> road. "Come and see the obelisk 2 km ---> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be nervous someone might accuse me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of having stolen the obelisk. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems like a Viking kinda thing to do...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah... If it ain't gold or silver (or wimmen)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ain't worth the space. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pity the fool who steals me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, I'm sure I could get a decent price for you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Mediterranean market...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But why would you want to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I has a sad now :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's what the Vikings did, mostly. In Ireland at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least. Sometimes they took the wimmen to Iceland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead - to work in the service industy. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freshen your drink, Govner?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That too, I suppose - but mostly milk the cows and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> churn the butter kind of stuff. Also a considerable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount of Irish-origin DNA is still present in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Icelandic population. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh-huh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My colouring is more from the Scottish ancestors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your might get charged with fraud or beaten up for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to pawn me off as Irish. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather think it would make little difference, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as you are good at thrashing grain and herding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheep and such... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see. By 'service industry' you meant slavery. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you meant prostitution. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slop your hog, gov'ner?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they brought pigs along to Iceland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they were definitely going out of fashion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediterranean market. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good. I don't like pork.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a thrall the menu choices may be somewhat limited in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any case. How do you feel about gruel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just oatmeal. I like oatmeal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I'm sure you will be quite content as a slave...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dunno. I don't think I'd look good in a collar plus I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bossy and opinionated.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure any competent slave owner will have remedies to
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct these shortcomings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like what? Keeping in mind I was spanked as a child.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not terribly familiar with corrective measures used by
>>>>>>>>>> slave holders, but some corporal punishment surely. Also
>>>>>>>>>> chains and crude bracelets I'm sure. And possibly dark holes
>>>>>>>>>> in the ground with lids for putting naughty servants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I'm in the dark hole, then I won't have to do manual labour.
>>>>>>>> They will probably save it for you for when you get back up.
>>>>>>>> It's like they say "a slave's job is never done".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought the saying is "a woman's work is never done'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomatoes - potartoes. [iz joke. please to not hurt me]
>>>>> [Would I hurt you?]
>>>> [Better safe than sorry]
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (And remarkably well-behaved as an adult)
>>>>>>>>>> (So no need for the dark hole for you)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And so what if they think it's stolen? It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not like they can prove anything. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They could if the obelisk is signed. A lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obelisk have inscriptions on them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But not signatures, surely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they do have the name of whoever carved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the inscription - or at least who ordered it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runic inscription almost always is mostly just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, in spite of how modest and self-effacing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scandinavians are. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you and your sarcasm!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You noticed... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I usually notice and then ignore it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {Oooo! I think that's the first time I noticed you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a smiley} 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been known to use the odd ascii combinations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at times. As long as they don't get autotranslated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into graphic emoticons... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why's that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like when what is displayed is not what I put.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I'm not a fan of picture texting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *crosses 'Get dick pics from BeH' off my bucket list*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A prudent and wise decision. There are no BeH-pics - of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any kind. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But there should be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There really shouldn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course there should be otherwise, it's like you never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a considerable production of written material right
>>>>>>>>>>>> here on usenet - forever enshrined on google. Also I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> think at least some of the programming I've done would still
>>>>>>>>>>>> be active. Also also the Tax department knows who I am.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no connection for the general public between BeH on
>>>>>>>>>>> usenet, the programmer and your secret identity or your tax
>>>>>>>>>>> account. 
>>>>>>>>>> My phone and/or internet bill is paid by real me. So there's
>>>>>>>>>> that. And I'm sure someone, somewhere collects and stores my
>>>>>>>>>> internet activity. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've been googling anti-fatigue mats and bosu balls lately.
>>>>>>>> I haven't as it happens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Usenet client is so old that it doesn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphics or hyperlinks or even utf-8 encoding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (*' `* - two hairyballs having knife fight.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Danish very easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossword, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>> meant. >>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clues >>>> which >> solves >> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puns... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____  = I over ate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A cartoon of two young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witched 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying >> to > ride brooms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>> an >>>> older >> witch >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unamused. Solution:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kostskole. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kost >> = >>> broom or meal(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pronunciation) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skole = school Kostskole =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boarding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very punny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would never get any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>> since >> I >>>>>> don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really easy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v=gHlEOsM5jtA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *bookmark for later*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with that later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll probably forget or get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distracted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by  a squirrel or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrels aren't distractions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>> they >>>> are > a joy of nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless >> you >> have a >>> walnut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree >> of course. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither do I, but still I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hidden" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walnuts all over every year. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway the other day I had one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather >>> small squirrel being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chased >> off the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cherry tree and all the way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> treeline - by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sparrows. Turns out sparrows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>> think > squirrels are a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joy of nature. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They aren't, really.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soemtimes they get in my garden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>> take  1 bite out of every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single >> ripe >>>> tomato. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quality control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Death wish, more like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would if I didn't think another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> squirrel would take its place. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can never have too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> squirrels... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's at times like this, I wish I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send you some. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too. I suspect the gray squirrels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be considered an invasive species,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed for import. It didn't go too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well for the brits when they did it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would send the red squirrels. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are little shits. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But pretty. And also cute the way they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flitter about in the trees in between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing produce. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must be some odd definition of the word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'cute' that I was previously unaware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly you are biased against the cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little critters... I wouldn't be chocked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn that you don't find a baby skunk cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. Unharden your heart, girl. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure. Baby animals are cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's video making the rounds of a baby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elephant chasing ducks. Very cute!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrels - not so cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baby squirrels! QED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *eye roll*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you even do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll show you when I go over to see your water
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That could be a while. Can't you just tell me now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too much typing. Anyways it's more of a visual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be - invo0lving the eyes as it does. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there have to be some technique involved. Or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's 100% an underrated mad skill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which you should teach me. Then I would have one mad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skill. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you could Photoshop. That's a mad skill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even have access to that program. But anyone can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut and paste stuff. Nothing mad about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can cut and paste with scissors and glue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will mess up your monitor something awful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel a blonde joke coming on...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Go on then...?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *deep inhale*
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know when a blonde has been using your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is white-out on the screen. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that another blonde has been using the
>>>>>>>>>>> computer? 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone has written on the white-out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you call a blonde with more than one brane-cell?
>>>>>>>>>> A golden retriever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you determine if someone is a natural blonde?
>>>>>>>>>> Shine a light into one ear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why did the blonde always have blue marks around the navel?
>>>>>>>>>> Her boyfriend was blonde too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet you could roll a joint. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make unsettling sounds with my (left) shoulder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint, if that's what you mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't but noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's kind of a wet, clicking sound.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gross!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Truly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad you finally relent in the face of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crushing logic. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't refer to twisting my words as crushing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logic. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, anyway I win.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure. If you say so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {point}
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't point that at me, it has a nail in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's a well trimmed nail...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's still dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not in the least - the length is optimised for not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting stuff caught under it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just plain rude then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is having well trimmed nails rude? I think you mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'practical'. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's rude to point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So the second finger has become utterly useless because of
>>>>>>>>>>>> societal norms? I resent that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The second finger isn't for pointing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wait! Are you giving me the finger?
>>>>>>>>>> The second finger is literally named for it's pointing use.
>>>>>>>>>> The first finger is the thumb (the opposable one).
>>>>>>>>>> Also I would never - that's rude.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But whatever floats your boat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Water displacement?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's what does it for you, who am I to judge?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just me - that's how everyone's boat float.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stience!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or something that's spelled much like that...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's from a cartoon called 'DisEnchantment' about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunken princess and her band of friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar. I'm not part of the 'cartoon set'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that's just sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably a function of me not having access to any of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the many, many streaming channels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of cartoons on regular tv here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's mostly just Disney(tm) here, with a sprinkling of Peppa
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pig and possibly SpongeBob. I don't watch much childrens tv.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Simpsons are on Disney Plus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Disney plus on the verge of going under. I vaguely
>>>>>>>>>> remember something about them having trouble - maybe just
>>>>>>>>>> here, dunno. If so they aren't alone. One of the scandinavian
>>>>>>>>>> ones are faltering as well. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is? I have no idea.
>>>>>>>>> They bought the Fox/Hulu library so they have all the Simpsons
>>>>>>>>> and stuff like that. They also have the StarWars franchise
>>>>>>>>> which is hugely popular.
>>>>>>>> So I hear. Dog knows why. Have I ever described all the things
>>>>>>>> that annoy me about the Star Wars universe?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think so.
>>>>>>> I'm going to go get a drink. This will be epic.
>>>>>>> {baby yoda is cute!}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>> In space no-one can hear you scream - same with large explosions.
>>>>>> These would also not result in pressure waves that moves stuff
>>>>>> around. Ship to ship combat in space does not look anything like a
>>>>>> dog-fight in atmosphere. Everything in motion keeps moving at that
>>>>>> speed unless influenced by another source of energy. Hell, with
>>>>>> current earth technology dog-fights between planes now consist of
>>>>>> lobbing missiles over the horizon at each other. Getting close
>>>>>> enough to collide is just not a thing.
>>>>>> If you make yourself an interstellar army of men in white
>>>>>> jumpsuits and plastic bucket on their heads and armed with space
>>>>>> lasers, one would expect some kind of aiming device. Also at least
>>>>>> some of the men should be able to hit something relevant some of
>>>>>> the time. If you engage in space combat - especially if you are
>>>>>> capable of constructing a weapon that can evaporate an entire
>>>>>> planet, engaging in raids on an enemy space craft resulting in
>>>>>> close quarter combat in the halls of said craft seems redundant
>>>>>> and wasteful - especially since your troops have already
>>>>>> compromised the internal atmosphere with a great big hole in the
>>>>>> craft, presumably suffocating the majority of the opposing force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if they have the technology for instellar travel, then they
>>>>> have also solved all those other issues. Why can't you just enjoy
>>>>> the movie? Have some popcorn.
>>>>
>>>> But most of that isn't 'issues' that can be solved. It's blatant
>>>> disregard for the laws of physics. You can't just disregard how the
>>>> universe works willy-nilly. And it doesn't even alter the narrative
>>>> - all the stupid stuff is just there to show-case the special
>>>> effects team (and to annoy me, no doubt).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I heard they make space movies just to annoy you.
>> I wouldn't be surprised...
>>
>>> Eventually we will have gravity defying technology. Just you wait.
>> *waits*
>>
>> ...actually we won't. Mankind may possibly eventually devise
>> technology to locally counteract the effect of gravity, but that will
>> then be with a force equal to but opposite of gravity.
>> Good thing too. I don't want to be free-floating - who knows where
>> I'll end up.
>>
> Me: Waiter!!! There's a Danish in my soup!
I hope at least it's a hot type soup then.
Also a danish person is a Dane, JSYK.
Also also do not put flaky pastry in soup. It will be soggy and
generally ruined.

-- 
BeH

" We are trapped by language to such a degree that every attempt to
formulate insight is a play on words." - Niels Bohr