Re: Your opinions on communism

On 8/29/2024 2:07 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
> On 5/18/2024 2:28 PM, Kirk Spragg wrote:
>> Hey Victoria though we'd best move that conversation about communism
>> from FSX to here.
>>
>> ma> I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory by
>> ultra
>> ma>leftists and liberals) tankie
>> ma> I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism
>> ma> which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of
>> production ma>seized
>> ma>by workers, and no markets
>>
>> Though I'm definitely on the left, I'd have to say that history & the
>> soviet union's failure to keep up with the west illustrate that a
>> centrally planned economy just doesn't work well.
>>
>> ma> under capitalism there is severe exploitation
>> ma> under socialism exploitation is non existant
>> ma> exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society
>> live off ma> the
>> ma> labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor because
>> they ma> own
>> ma> the factories etc. aka the means of production
>>
>> Again history shows that just isn't the case, at uni I met a number of
>> Russian and east european academics all of whom had horror stories of how
>> just how exploitative Russia's socalist state was to its people.
>>
>> Similarly I know several Chinese Ex-Pats who say similar things about
>> the CCP & how things are run in China.
>>
>> How do you envisage a new communist partly/state avoiding this?
>>
>> ... White dwarf seeks red giant for binary relationship.
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> 1) All big businesses started small.  Microsoft started in someone's 
> basement.
> 2) 50% of the American economy is small businesses.
> 3) If the state is ever going to wither away, and it's going to be a 
> Utopia as Karl Marx said, then why don't the Communists just say no one 
> owns anything today unless they're carrying it?
> 4) Why not just raise the minimum wage to 50% per capita GDP after taxes?
> 5) And have free education, and 1/2 minimum wage to non-earners.  i.e. 
> more Socialism, not Communism.
> 6) Why does the government have to own all the means of production?  Why 
> not just some of the means of food production.  Or, what if businesses 
> merely couldn't ever pay dividends, what would the difference even be? 
> At the moment I'm not sure how you can restrict spending on high 
> salaries though, ultimately, everyone should get equal pay (or 
> consumption) for an hour worked at anything is obvious.  We're all equal 
> in cost and expense and Spirit.  We differ temporarily in assets until 
> everyone has everything. Pay (in Capitalism) is a return on capital, for 
> instance your skills and education, more than your labor.
> 7) Saving is what Capitalism does better than Communism.  Capitalists 
> don't consume everything they produce.  China has been saving, and so 
> Communism has apparently worked out a bit there.
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I think Communism is a bit like pedophilia. You can always find 
adherents, but they are certainly not mainstream.