Re: HOPE but not faith
Sylvia Else <[email protected]>
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On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote: > In article <[email protected]>, > [email protected] says... >> >> Skeeter wrote: >>> [email protected] says... >>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>> [email protected] says... >>>>>> Skeeter wrote: >>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something. No thing can create itself. >>>>>>>>> It needs a cause. Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He created it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to? >>>>> >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created. >>>> >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an >>>> eternal universe. >>> >>> >>> Twist it around as usual. >> >> You said it, not me. >> >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal. >> >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school. > > If it was created it had a beginning. You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning? In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc. Sylvia.