Re: NASA's great conspiracy

"Malte Runz"  wrote in message 
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>On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:23:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
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>>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message
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>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
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>>>>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message
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>>>>>On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message
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>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that
>>>>>>>entails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never
>>>>>>heard
>>>>>>of that. Normies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
>>>>>only kook on the internet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, 
>>>>senior
>>>>military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
>>>
>>>And I do.
>>>
>>
>>You have little or no knowledge or qualification to do so. It's you who 
>>has
>>no credibility.
>>Pilots and military officials are highly trained and have a career to look
>>after. They can't afford to talk crap.
>
>And their career will survive after they've been spilling the beans?
>Think, man. They are, as you claim, revealing some of the deepest
>secrets kept hidden for generations. How is that going to protect them
>and their career?
>>

80% of them won't just spill all the beans, only parts.
And these public talks usually happen decades after the events and when the 
classification of documents have expired.


>>
>>>
>>>Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?
>>>The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had
>>>ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He
>>>looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him
>>>that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a
>>>joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt
>>>sorry for the guy.
>>>
>>
>>That's just your woke emotion based reaction. You've been conditioned 
>>since
>>a young age to ridicule such things, and that's because of the CIA 
>>ridicule
>>program that's been running for decades, which you also don't know about.
>>Why do you never ask the obvious question: Why would governments go to so
>>much trouble to cover this up? I think you're not smart enough to think 
>>this
>>far.
>
>You're absolutely right. I'm way too dumb to understand these things.
>Explain, oh wise one, why would the government, who is trying to keep
>all things 'alien' hidden, allow "Pilots and military officials" to
>participate in public hearings, where they spill the beans? Yes,
>explain that one to me.
>

See above re. docs being declassified and old events.
And there's a slow gov disclosure happening now because too many people are 
demanding it and the gov doesn't want an implosion of their narrative when 
things boil over.


>
>And no, I'm not really looking to you for an answer. I'm being fucking
>ironic, in case you haven't noticed.
>>

Like a troll.


>>
>>>
>>>>It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass 
>>>>troll
>>>>reacting from your emotions.
>>>
>>>Ignorant, no. But arrogant smartass, yes.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks for the part admission.
>
>I've never though of it as a secret. I've been trying really hard to
>make it as obvious as possible.
>>

Ignorant too (Dunning Kruger effect).
So then why comment on these topics?


>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> ... Upgrade your
>>>>>>>>sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Name one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing
>>>>>>ones.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for
>>>>some.
>>>>That's obvious.
>>>
>>>Is this how you think it plays out in my mind?:
>>>
>>>'Wow! They have captured live aliens!!! How can I learn about that?
>>>
>>
>>You don't want to learn about that, you just want to follow mainstream
>>authorities.
>
>One thing all of you kooks have in common is a total lack of ability
>to detect irony. You're too full of yourselves.
>>

Yes I know you're being ironic!

Your irony is inappropriate and immature.


>>>
>>>Right, I better ask Andrew. He knows soooo much about these topics.
>>>
>>
>>You wouldn't know who knows things/truths. You're obviously unable to
>>determine that. You just picked the easy, convenient and satisfying side 
>>and
>>stuck with it.
>
>So, when you claim to know the truths about the aliens, their origin,
>their goals, with whom they cooperate, etc, I shouldn't trust you?
>

You should trust no one. Everyone has to check out the truth for themselves. 
It's you who seems to trust the public talking heads that ridicule 
everything outside the narrative. Have you ever questioned why they ridicule 
this stuff? Clue: It's a program of cover ups. Your discernments skills are 
shocking. You always bark up the wrong tree.


>
>>>
>>>Hey Andrew, can you refer me to a few of your superior sources,
>>>(because [snicker] I'm too lazy to look for it myself)?'
>>>
>>>You know exactly why I ask you for the evidence that has convinced
>>>you. (No, not the one single piece of evidence, and no, not all the
>>>evidence you have seen over the decades.)
>>>
>>
>>Yes I know why you ask for my evidence and do zero proper research of your
>>own (like normal people). ...
>
>What's there to "research", when no evidence is ever provided?
>

You've never looked for any. There's plenty over decades.


>
>A tall
>tale of having been abducted and probed, over and over and over again,
>is not evidence of said probing. Tall tales and hearsay is not
>evidence, but that is all you have.
>

"Tall tales" says you've already made up your mind without research. That's 
dumb.

And are the lies and spin from media and government somehow better than 
hearsay from people who have actually experienced and researched this 
subject? 'Hearsay' is superior in this case.


>
>> ... You just want to ridicule whatever you've been
>>conditioned to ridicule, because you're a man child.
>>Did your father lead to you to be like this? Was he a ridiculer and
>>mainstream/gov authority and media follower?
>
>He deserted from the Nazi's Marine in 1945, an 18 year old kid,
>running through a field, bullets flying over his head. He would laugh
>at your pathetic ideas about space aliens,
>

And his knowledge on these subjects was what exactly? And yours?


>
>and despise you for siding
>with Putin.
>

That's your blown out imagination. I never sided with Putin. I just said 
that he's a distraction by the deep state who have murdered billions over 
decades.
Putin in fact hasn't been proven to murder anyone or even order such. He's 
just another distraction puppet on a stage, and you fell for it.
It is the Ukraine cabals that are murdering innocent people and blaming 
Putin.


>
>Damn, wouldn't you have been a good little Hitler Jugend
>boy.
>>

Hitler used the then German media and rallies to get supporters. It's you 
who believes and follows the media so you put two and two together to see 
who would follow Hitler.


>>
>>>
>>>>>Von Däniken? Alex
>>>>>Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They're all far smarter than you. Why can't you find/see the real truth
>>>>instead of just troll?
>>>
>>>Listen, there is only one troll in this, and it is the guy who keeps
>>>posting outrageous and unsubstantiated claims that he is not willing
>>>to back up and debate in a meaningful way.
>>>
>>
>>You really don't get it. ...
>
>Oh yes, I do.
>

Narcissism confidence.


>
>> ... There are actually curious people in this world who
>>want to hear other than gov/media perspectives and narratives.
>>IOW my posts are not for your type. ...
>
>Then stop responding to my posts. You're not obligated to waste time
>on a lost case like me.
>

Why do you respond to my posts? Look at that reason first.


>
>> ... But I do like a challenge, and sometimes
>>people's minds are actually opened.
>
>So you want a challenge, eh? Lemme think...
>
>Show me an image of a UFO or alien being you believe is the real deal.
>(You won't, of course. Instead you will blame me for not having found
>it myself.)
>

Be more mature.


>>>
>>>>>Why don't you want to tell me?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Because you're just a dumb jerk who only follows and believes mainstream
>>>>slop.
>>>
>>>I think we have to look for the answer to my question elsewhere.
>>>
>>
>>Your enquiries are false and insincere and you know it.
>
>Of course I'm insincere when I ask you for answers.
>

Yet you're serious when it comes to swallowing media and gov lies. Few 
questions being asked there.


>
>I couldn't give a
>fuck about your crazy ideas.
>

And how did you come to the conclusion of 'crazy ideas' exactly? Will you 
examine who influenced you and their level of honesty, mentality and 
motives?


>
>I don't ask because I want to learn about
>the kookery you believe is the truth.
>

'Kookery'. Uh huh. Qualify that with your great knowledge.


>
>I ask you for answers, because I
>know you have none. And my track record is immaculate.
>>

Prescient knowledge. And delusions. Uh huh.


>>>
>>>I
>>>think you know that none of your sources would stand up to scrutiny.
>>>
>>
>>You still think a.a is a courtroom or something.
>
>Or something. Think of it as a challenge. You like challenges, don't
>you?
>>

Here's a challenge for you. Do some research before commenting on topics.


>>
>>>
>>>'A guy said X, and I choose to believe him!' and you're too
>>>embarrassed to show us.
>>>
>>
>>You made up your mind a long time ago and you know it. ...
>
>I was 18 or 19. Reading Carlos Castaneda while taking a shit one fine
>afternoon. He claimed to have eaten some mushrooms and turning into a
>bird.
>

And there's the sum of your thesis. A shitter cubical course.

>
>And he expected his readers to believe him!
>

No he didn't just expect anyone to believe him. This is where you always go 
wrong.
Your world is just believe or not believe. That's it.


>
>If it hadn't been a library book, guess what I would have use to clean
>myself.
>
>> ... You're just a clown
>>and mainstream sycophant.
>
>People don't turn into birds.
>

He didn't say he physically turned into a bird, dummy. Your brain added 
that. Do you know anything about metaphysical experiences at all?


>>
>>>
>>>>>>>Also, this is not about what my
>>>>>>>sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
>>>>>This can't be a new concept to you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No I'm just passing on 'claims' by investigators and official witnesses.
>>>>You obviously live in a very small world.
>>>
>>>Appeal to authorities noted.
>>>
>>
>>What level of authority are they?
>
>In your world they are the highest level possible. You believe what
>they say 'unseen'. Remember, you once ADMITTED!!! that you yourself
>never have seen a bona fide alien, 'negative' or otherwise, but you
>are sure they do exist... here on Earth. It's basically a question of
>faith.
>>

Just another brain fart of yours. Narcissist's brains make up stuff.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=Does+the+human+brain+sometimes+generate+false+info+especially+in+the+mentally+ill+and+especially+narcissists%3F&summary=1&conversation=9d38ddb41957b44981f4c8

The human brain can sometimes generate or perceive information inaccurately, 
particularly in individuals with certain mental health conditions, including 
narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Research suggests that narcissists 
may exhibit patterns of distorted thinking and perception, which can lead to 
the generation of false or exaggerated information. For instance, studies 
have shown that narcissists may have reduced activity in brain regions 
associated with empathy and self-awareness, which could contribute to their 
difficulty in accurately perceiving or understanding others' perspectives.
Additionally, narcissists often engage in self-serving biases, where they 
attribute success to themselves while deflecting blame onto others, which 
can result in the creation of false narratives.
These cognitive distortions are not unique to narcissists but are more 
pronounced in individuals with NPD, who may also struggle with emotional 
regulation and social functioning.
While the exact mechanisms behind these cognitive distortions are still 
being explored, the available evidence indicates that the brain's structure 
and function can play a role in how individuals process and generate 
information, particularly in those with mental health conditions.


>>
>>>
>>>>>>>So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the
>>>>>>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have plenty ...
>>>>>
>>>>>So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So you want me to waste more time on the likes of you? Why?
>>>
>>>Ask yourself why you're responding to my posts in the first place.
>>>
>>
>>It's an interesting challenge, ...
>
>You just called it a waste of time.
>

Sometimes yes.


>
>>... and an opportunity to put clowns/jerks in
>>their places, ...
>
>An opportunity wasted.
>
>> ... and inform them of the gov psyops and narrative programs that
>>>have been in place for decades.
>
>Millennia! Who do you think build the Pyramids?
>

Humans with advanced tech.


>
>>>>>> ... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
>>>>>
>>>>>I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
>>>>>you do,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
>>>
>>>Another appeal to authorities.
>>>
>>
>>Diversion
>
>Au contraire. It's a direct attack on the quality of your argument.
>You're saying that I, just like you do, should believe the claims,
>because they are also made by "military officials", and people in that
>position would not "talk shit".
>>

The difference is I look at decades of info and documented evidence and 
research. I don't just believe one or two officials. You're the believer 
type here.


>>
>>>
>>>Do you now believe everything "military
>>>officials" say?
>>>
>>
>>Of course not.
>>Have you checked them out at all?
>>And do you just believe the gov and media narratives?
>
>"Just", as in 'only', or 'unquestioningly'? In either case, no.
>

You dodged the first question.
You don't go far enough with questioning them. You mainly only question the 
easy fun side. Fun and laziness do not get truth or facts.


>>>
>>>>>all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
>>>>>focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
>>>>>beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
>>>>>of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things 
>>>>from
>>>>the population? Are you dumb?
>>>
>>>If they are hiding all the good stuff how have you learned about it?
>>>
>>
>>By looking at sources other than the narratives. The cover ups are quite
>>obvious.
>
>Especially when you know they are cover ups.
>>

After all the research on militaries and governments and their motives it 
becomes pretty clear. Why didn't you put two and two together?


>>
>>>
>>>What material have you gained access to? Material that I also could
>>>find on the internet... if I weren't so lazy.
>>>
>>
>>More than I could post. Most I no longer have.
>
>What a shame. What a god damned shame! Not even one single link, just
>to give me an idea of what you have? Nothing left at all?
>

Yes nothing left for you to ridicule like a troll.


>
>>Do you want some? ...
>
>Whatever gave you that idea?
>
>
>> ... First you have to convince me that you're sincere and open
>>minded and not just a sheep, clown and troll.
>
>And I would rip every- and anything you'd post to pieces. You know it.
>

Without even any info on the subject? Haha. Loser.


>
>If you trusted your sources, your ideas, and your arguments, you would
>bury me under them.
>

I trust no one. And I don't trust you.


>
>But what we get instead are the same lazy
>arguments for not posting what I ask to see.
>

Your type always wants something. And has big dumb opinions. But contributes 
and knows nothing.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>>They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
>>>
>>>Name one law They have put in place.
>>>'§1: Keep the alien spaceships hidden from the gullible masses.'
>>>
>>
>>In 1969, NASA passed a federal regulation dealing with ‘Extra-terrestrial
>>Exposure’. The “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law” offers a legal precedent 
>>for
>>the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes into
>>contact with extraterrestrials.
>
>What kind of extraterrestrial 'material' do you believe it was thought
>someone could be exposed to?
>
>I've never heard of this, so I'll do some digging.
>
>Before I start, I think it is about procedure in case of the Apollo 11
>crew's and future astronauts' exposure to something
>'extraterrestrial'. Keeping us all safe from E.T. But we'll see. I'll
>start by 'researching' “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law”.
>
>[clickity clickity]
>
>https://tinyurl.com/54jchbte
>
>This is what you are talking about, right? Easy peasy.
>
>By the way, it's not a law per se.
>***
>PART 1211-EXTRATERRESTRIAL
>EXPOSURE
>
>§ 1211.100 Scope.
>This part establishes: (a) NASA
>policy, responsibility and authority to
>guard the Earth against any harmful
>contamination or adverse changes in its
>environment resulting from personnel,
>spacecraft and other property returning
>to the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric
>envelope of a celestial body; and (b) security requirements,
>restrictions and safeguards that are necessary in the interest of the
>national security.
>[...]
>***
>

There's never been any evidence of any contamination. Why make a document 
like that? People have been arrested.


>
>Told ya!
>
>It's an easy read, and as expected, it is nothing like you described
>it. Prove me wrong. Quotes from the link is a must. Think of it as "an
>interesting challenge". You like challenges, remember.
>

If it was easy and quick then it wasn't a challenge. You did practically 
nothing and then gloated.


>
>I can start and show you what I mean. You stated that
>
>"The “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law” offers a legal precedent for
>the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes
>into contact with extraterrestrials."
>
>Where in the text do they talk about potential "indefinite
>imprisonment"? The Apollo 11 crew spent three weeks in quarantine
>AFAIR.
>
>And where do they use the precise term "extraterrestrials".
>
>I am convinced that you never have read full text before. If you had,
>you wouldn't have misquoted the name of the text. Also, I'm sure you
>copy pasted your paragraph about the wrongly named “Extraterrestrial
>Exposure Law” and that it is all you know about.
>>

You're out of your depth.


>>
>>>
>>>>>Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
>>>>>where you found it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
>>>
>>>I really don't think you do.
>>>
>>
>>So you're a very seasoned troll? Professional perhaps?
>
>I don't troll. I poke.
>

You have no good reason.


>
>>>> ... Your emotions just can't handle
>>>>'claims'. Get therapy.
>>>
>>>If therapy would make me believe stories about alien abductions and
>>>captured spaceships, I'd rather stay... 'emotional' regarding those
>>>things.
>>>
>>
>>No not just believe. Why is it always just a case of believe or not 
>>believe
>>with you? That's for sheep and followers.
>
>It's not always about that. But in case of the existence of aliens
>here on Earth it is. You believe, I don't.
>>

I consider and research, not just believe. That's your paradigm.
You still don't get this.


>>
>>>
>>>>>> ... You're not
>>>>>>interested.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
>>>>>evidence have /you/ seen?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've seen a few craft, in one case a cluster of them go across the sky.
>>>>That
>>>>was before satellite clusters.
>>>
>>>Thank you. I'm now totally convinced that aliens from space have
>>>visited Earth. Just like I'm convinced that Elvis didn't die. And that
>>>Bigfoot is on the loose... somewhere out there.
>>>
>>
>>Simpleton. You just want someone to come along and convince you. ...
>
>As I said above: "I really don't think you do." 'Get it', that is.
>
>> ... And it has
>>to be an authority, that or nothing.
>
>Your "Pilots and military officials" count as authorities.
>

Not in a major way. They are experiencers and trained professionals.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to
>>>>>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, ...
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
>>>
>>>If I had made a claim and was asked to provide evidence I'd be happy
>>>to do so. You, on the other hand, react like it is a personal attack
>>>when people ask for your sources.
>>>
>>
>>Your wokeness, trolling and clown behaviour is an offense to every 
>>sensible
>>mature person.
>
>Ignore me, or stop whining.
>>

It's you who whines about 'kooks'.


>>
>>>
>>>>>You didn't. Instead you
>>>>>evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
>>>
>>>Not going to happen. As long as you do your thing, I'll do mine.
>>>
>>
>>You are sick.
>
>Again, I can only suggest that you ignore me.
>

It's sometimes fun putting trolls in their places.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>>A.a is so full of crap head stooges. It's a mental asylum.
>>>
>>>You've learned from the best.
>>>
>>
>>Haha
>>
>>
>>>
>>>'They're letting all the people out of their mental asylums and
>>>sending them to A.A to DESTROY!!! the newsgroup. MAAGA!'
>>>
>>
>>Whatever. Get help.
>
>I don't need help, silly. I can handle the likes of you on my own.
>

All narcissists and loonies say that. You really need help.


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