Re: ALIENS would be dumb! Stupid! Primitive!

lomonosov <[email protected]> wrote in news:20251130121432.713740c6@z-z:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:07:53 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> jojo <[email protected]> wrote in news:69d37242-e5dd-35dd-a285-a624d61a0af3
>> @shinku.aoyagi.konjou:
>> 
>> > JTEM wrote:  
>> >> 
>> >> If we find an inhabited world, an intelligent species then
>> >> chances are they're a ignorant, primitive society.
>> >> 
>> >> Every so called "Intelligent" species would have to experience
>> >> a primitive stage.
>> >> 
>> >> This is inescapable.
>> >> 
>> >> No planet is going to spontaneously spawn life only for it to
>> >> immediately climb out of the primordial ooze & build super
>> >> computers.
>> >> 
>> >> No. Not going to happen...
>> >> 
>> >> Humans existed for MILLION OF YEARS before any of us left
>> >> evidence for the controlled use of fire, let alone metallurgy.
>> >> 
>> >> The genus Homo -- "Humans" -- officially begins with Homo habilis,
>> >> conventionally dated back about 3 million years... though the
>> >> oldest fossil of which is considerably younger.
>> >> 
>> >> If you Google it, the usual suspects (Wikie, Google A.I.) are
>> >> going to give you ridiculously old dates but the truth is that
>> >> we find evidence for the spread of fire back hundreds of
>> >> thousands of years, not millions...
>> >> 
>> >> The oldest throwing spear is around 400k years old, btw. But
>> >> after 300K years or so they disappear from the archaeological
>> >> record... don't show up again for quite a while...
>> >> 
>> >> The point is, if you didn't know, humans went through a lengthy
>> >> primitive stage before ever achieving industrialization, and
>> >> even then it took centuries to go from the Industrial Revolution
>> >> to space.
>> >> 
>> >> So a primitive stage is necessary, all "Intelligent" species
>> >> must pass through a primitive stage, but nobody is required to
>> >> graduate to an advanced stage.
>> >> 
>> >> Nope.
>> >> 
>> >> If you graphed all the so called "Intelligent" species in the
>> >> universe it would look something like a pyramid -- the greatest
>> >> number at the bottom, the most primitive species, tapering off
>> >> to the smallest number of highly advanced species, so rare they
>> >> actually form the point!
>> >> 
>> >> Why?
>> >> 
>> >> Because all so called "Intelligent" species would enter a
>> >> primitive stage, but not all would leave it.
>> >> 
>> >> Humanity was nearly wiped out entirely, rendered extinct, by
>> >> a "Super Volcanic Eruption," less than 80k years ago. And as
>> >> bad as it was, there were worse. There were bigger, more
>> >> catastrophic eruptions in the earth's past.
>> >> 
>> >> Asteroids? Like the one that ended the dinosaurs?
>> >> 
>> >> Disease.
>> >> 
>> >> An unfortunate Gamma Ray Burst could be a planet killer...
>> >> 
>> >> Ever hear of "Snowball Earth?" The odds of an intelligent
>> >> species surviving one of those lie somewhere between ZERO
>> >> and NIL...
>> >> 
>> >> And then out of the "Intelligent" species that made it though
>> >> a primitive stage without some natural catastrophe wiping them
>> >> out, there's always self destruction.
>> >> 
>> >> Nuclear war. Biological warfare. Chemical warfare.
>> >> 
>> >> Read any of the A.I. doomsday scenarios?  Yeah, that.
>> >> 
>> >> And do keep in mind that the whole time they're trying to
>> >> survive their industrial period WITHOUT killing themselves,
>> >> there's still all the natural threats they had to dea with in
>> >> their primitive stage. None of them went away. So, their odds
>> >> of becoming extinct have actually GROWN, not retracted...
>> >> 
>> >> *We* here on earth are not yet at the point where we set up
>> >> a self sustaining, self progressing breeding population on
>> >> another world, so preserve our species in the event of a
>> >> catastrophe -- natural or man made. WE, right now, are still
>> >> in the "More likely to go extinct" stage than the primitives...
>> >> 
>> >> AND THEN there's the fact that species die. The vast majority
>> >> of species to ever exist on this planet are gone. They're
>> >> extinct.
>> >> 
>> >> What if an intelligent species evolved pretty close to another
>> >> world with an intelligent species?  Real life isn't Star Trek.
>> >> Such a scenario would present a major threat to one or both!
>> >> 
>> >> The point is that there's LOTS of ways a species may go
>> >> extinct, and the older they get THE MORE LIKELY they will fall
>> >> to one. Not the less likely, the more likely they won't
>> >> survive.
>> >> 
>> >> Their odds may improve over time but there would always be a
>> >> non-zero chance of them getting snuffed out ever century...
>> >> decade... year...
>> >> 
>> >> Thus:  The rarest species would be the oldest, the most
>> >> technologically advances, while the most numerous species
>> >> would be the most primitive -- the more primitive the more
>> >> numerous. Yet...
>> >> 
>> >> Yet everyone insists that if we find aliens they're going to
>> >> be hyper advanced. No, they're likely smashing rocks
>> >> together & wishing they could stop freezing their buns off
>> >> whenever it gets cold.
>> >>   
>> > 
>> > i dont believe anything special happens in the universe. if a 
>> > species reaches star traveling capacity, power laws take over 
>> > determining their distribution.
>> >   
>> 
>> 
>>    In a universe 14 billion years old
>> Earth has only had intelligent life 
>> for smallest sliver of time, less than
>> half a million years. We are latecomers.
>> There are smarter species out there, but
>> it is proof of our arrogance that we 
>> think they would bother trying to visit 
>> or even talk to us. 
>>
> 
> We were doing ok this time until the ET masters of this alien ant farm
> decided to brainwash us into homosexuality, transgender, and other
> anti-replication lifestyles before they pull the plug on us all again.


  Don't forget the other "lifestyles"
you fear, like race mixing amd birth 
control and incest bans.