Re: ALIENS would be dumb! Stupid! Primitive!

  Attila wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:37:04 -0500, JTEM <[email protected]>

>> Which means you never encountered me, I'm not "Here,"
>> where ever your "Here" is.

> Here is here.  Anywhere on Earth or even in orbit around
> Earth.

I don't buy that. You have "Encountered" me even from afar, even
without ny physical proximity.

We can "encounter" alien civilizations. For most of them, even
"Intelligent" species, the term "Civilization" wouldn't even
apply, they'd be so primitive, so this "Encounter" would be
one-way.

     ...unless we insanely decided otherwise.

>> No, sorry, our routine lives do leave plenty of room
>> for non physical encounters. We have them all the time.
> 
> Throw in mysticism and all bets are off.  Such an
> "encounter" would be subjective and unprovable.

No. We have the means to detect "Biosignatures" and even
"Technosignatures." It likely will take some time and study
before this method is accepted, because we could (can) make
such detections beyond 100 light years already.

 >> Whether aliens are buzzing the globe or grunting, shitting>> in 
their hands and throwing it at each other, the way we
>> will find them is through spectral analysis. We will detect
>> the Biosignatures and/or Technosignatures in their atmosphere
>>from a very great distance.

> If tech is involved it is far ahead of us.

No. The vast majority would be at our level OR LESS.

>> Pretending that little green men are here, buzzing the earth,
>> probing the bums of hapless victims stolen from their beds
>> as they sleep -- they're hiding. They don't want us "To
>> know" that they're here. They shower us with plausible
>> deniability. So we can't find them, many have tried, but they
>> can't hide their planet!

> Which planet would that be? 

Their planet. Their home world.

This is how life on earth has been detectable for billions of
years:

>> So all we've got to do is point a James Webb or similar tech
>> at their world, perform a spectral analysis & identify it as
>> the home & haunt of *Aliens!*

Hmm...

>> Life on earth has been detectable for BILLIONS of years.

> How?

See above.

Life changes the planet.

>> The
>> fact of our industrialization has been detectable for more
>> than a century.
>> So if aliens are within 100 light years of
>> us and are AT LEAST our level of technology, they know that
>> we're here. You assume that they sat on that knowledge, I
>> assume they'd immediately leap to that next step.

> Provided they still use radio.

No. Spectral analysis.



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