https://m.slashdot.org/story/376186
"Sweet Jesus, are people still mining alt-coins?? Hasn't that died yet? How many alt-coins are there now? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000??"
And all to 'mine' imaginary fiat "money" backed by nothing but how much power was wasted with this bullshit.
At least US fiat dollars are (very allegedly) backed by something as well as what's in Fort Knox.
Shitcoin and the rest of the virtual fantasy bullcrap will be forgotten and dumped in the same shit pile with the dot-bomb wreckage.
GeForce RTX 3090 Launched: NVIDIA's Biggest, Fastest Gaming GPU Tested
from the all-about-the-numbers dept.
MojoKid writes:
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3090, which just launched this morning, is the single most powerful graphics card money can buy currently (almost). It sits at the top of NVIDIA's product stack, and according to the company, it enables new experiences like smooth 8K gaming and seamless processing of massive content creation workloads, thanks in part to its 24GB of on-board GDDR6X memory. A graphics card like the GeForce RTX 3090 isn't for everyone, however. Though its asking price is about a $1,000 lower than its previous-gen, Turing-based Titan RTX counterpart, it is still out of reach for most gamers. That said, content creation and workstation rendering professionals can more easily justify its cost.
In performance testing fresh off the NDA lift, versus the GeForce RTX 3080 that arrived last week, the more powerful RTX 3090's gains range from about 4% to 20%. Versus the more expensive previous generation Titan RTX though, the GeForce RTX 3090's advantages increase to approximately 6% to 40%. When you factor in complex creator workloads that can leverage the GeForce RTX 3090's additional resources and memory, however, it can be many times faster than either the RTX 3080 or Titan RTX. The GeForce RTX 3090 will be available in limited quantities today but the company pledges to make more available directly and through OEM board partners as soon as possible.
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RazorSharp a day ago
the single most powerful graphics card money can buy currently (almost).
That's almost a big deal. Almost.
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SaraKoore a day ago
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DontBeAMoran a day ago
Thanks for the offer, SaraKoore, but I need a solid nine hours of sleep.
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bloodhawk a day ago
The card is pretty damn impressive. But at ~140% premium for a ~10-20% performance increase you would want to have some very specific work/gaming scnearios to justify it.
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EvilSS a day ago
Now now, it's only a 100% premium (699 vs 1499)! And that 10-20% is at 4K and up. The delta drops significantly below that. So it's either a gaming e-peen, or a workstation card (if you don't need the Titan/Quatro features they driver-neutered off of it).
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drnb a day ago
Now now, it's only a 100% premium (699 vs 1499)! And that 10-20% is at 4K and up. The delta drops significantly below that. So it's either a gaming e-peen, or a workstation card (if you don't need the Titan/Quatro features they driver-neutered off of it).
More likely its mining alt-coins than either of those. Hell a 1060 is profitable at the moment. And for people using it for gaming or math, letting it mine when ottherwise idle in a gaming machine or workstation offsets the price. Might get that 3090 for effectively the cost of a 3080 or 3070.
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EvilSS a day ago
Now now, it's only a 100% premium (699 vs 1499)! And that 10-20% is at 4K and up. The delta drops significantly below that. So it's either a gaming e-peen, or a workstation card (if you don't need the Titan/Quatro features they driver-neutered off of it).
More likely its mining alt-coins than either of those. Hell a 1060 is profitable at the moment. And for people using it for gaming or math, letting it mine when ottherwise idle in a gaming machine or workstation offsets the price. Might get that 3090 for effectively the cost of a 3080 or 3070.
NVidia cards pale in comparison to AMD for mining though, and you can buy the current gen AMD cards at MSRP right now. At at those prices, the 3080 would have a way better ROI than the 3090. I'm sure a few fools will buy some for mining but they will be waiting quite a while to break even on it. Hell, you could get a better ROI flipping it on ebay.
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drnb 16 hours ago
Now now, it's only a 100% premium (699 vs 1499)! And that 10-20% is at 4K and up. The delta drops significantly below that. So it's either a gaming e-peen, or a workstation card (if you don't need the Titan/Quatro features they driver-neutered off of it).
More likely its mining alt-coins than either of those. Hell a 1060 is profitable at the moment. And for people using it for gaming or math, letting it mine when ottherwise idle in a gaming machine or workstation offsets the price. Might get that 3090 for effectively the cost of a 3080 or 3070.
NVidia cards pale in comparison to AMD for mining though, and you can buy the current gen AMD cards at MSRP right now. At at those prices, the 3080 would have a way better ROI than the 3090. I'm sure a few fools will buy some for mining but they will be waiting quite a while to break even on it. Hell, you could get a better ROI flipping it on ebay.
But my system is not simply for mining. It is a workstation where I may work on CUDA code during the day and may play games after work; mining is only when the computer would otherwise be unused. Hence Nvidia. I've also compared systems with Nvidia and ATI of comparable generation, say 1060 vs 570 (CUDA development system and OpenCL development system). The 570 generates slightly more hash but at a disproportionate amount of power as measured at the wall. So Nvidia wins there too, its more profitable. Slightly less hashrate but a lot less power consumption.
Break even is only a concern for people building a system purely for mining. Causal mining on a gaming system or workstation subsidizes the card, lets you step up one model for the same overall cost. So you get a better CUDA or gaming card than you otherwise would have had for the same "budget".
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EvilSS 14 hours ago
The 3090 is also a power hog. More than any other card ever made. More power for nearly the same hash rate is a poor trade off. If it's part time and you really need it (and if you have a 1060 today you obviously don't), then sure, but buying it with mining even as a 2nd priority is questionable. Maybe if you live in Antarctica and are getting free electricity...
As for NV vs AMD, you are using something like Nicehash or another pool, yes? If you mine directly (which is more profitable overall), AMD is more profitable, and will be until eth goes PoS.
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drnb 13 hours ago
Its not absolute power, its the ratio of power to hashrate. AMD takes more power to do the same work, well the 570 did compared to the 1060. 10% more hashrate but 20% more power, approximately. I've mined via NiceHash and directly. Measuring at the wall using a kill-a-watt meter I find the 570 using more power in both cases.
I'm not buying a 3090. A 3070 is about where my price tolerance tops out even with potential mining subsidies. In my mind I emphasize the "potential" and don't count on it, if it happens its a pleasant surprise. And yes the decision will be based on software development and recreational gaming, mining is just a "might as well" when the stars align and its profitable. Its just a casual thing.
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EvilSS 10 hours ago
You should be making about 20% more even after power with the 570 versus the 1060. Not to mention the 580 was still under a $200 card when it launched, cheaper than a 1060, and even faster. It would make you even more even after power consumption is factored in. But again you’re leaving a ton of money on the table if you’re using nice hash. With Nice Hash you’re always at the mercy of the orders and they may not always be picking the most efficient algorithm for your set up. Not to mention you’re basically selling your hash rates at wholesale prices when you do it that way.
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kangsterizer 18 hours ago
I think its fine actually. the 3080 is great and most people will buy this. I probably will. That means only people that really want to pay way more for a little bit more performance will get the 3090 and that's fine.
It would bother me more if they didn't release a 3080 and your choice was 1500USD or get an old gen card ;-)
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darkain a day ago
Depends on what you're using it for. COMPUTE is 10-20% faster, but at over 2x the RAM... That RAM isn't free. At professional work loads, like game dev, demand that extra RAM.
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UperPoti a day ago
Purchasing it at this price and configuration would only be justified for sparse matrix math workloads enabled by the Ampere architecture. AI workloads would be better off with Google's TPU v3 or possibly a GA100 chip. The GDDR6X memory increase is deceiving in capacity. Micron has plans for 16Gbit chips, but as is the memory is the same density as on NVIDIA’s RTX 20 series cards, and their GTX 1000 series cards. RTX 3090 gets 24GB of VRAM, but only by using 12 pairs of chips in clamshell mode on a 384-bit memory bus, making for more than twice as many memory chips as on RTX 2080 Ti.
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joe_frisch a day ago
There are people who will pay a lot more to have the "best" even if it is only slightly better than the second-best.
There are people who buy $100K watches. For some people the price simply doesn't matter.
There may also be a set of problems where it actually makes technical sense.
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bloodhawk a day ago
there are definitely scenarios where it makes sense, especially in workstation processing or AI scenarios and hell if money is no object sure. For most gamers though they will not get a noticeable increase in performance, just a bigger e-peen. It is also a bloody massive card that won't fit in many cases.
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timeOday a day ago
I was going to say $800 could be worth it for a pro to increase rendering speed 10% in Blender. But come to think of it, rendering is easily parallelized so you'd seemingly be much better off with 2 of the slightly slower cards for similar money.
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ranton a day ago
The card is pretty damn impressive. But at ~140% premium for a ~10-20% performance increase you would want to have some very specific work/gaming scnearios to justify it.
This isn't much different than any luxury item. You will probably only have one gaming machine, and if you are going all out then what you are really comparing is a $3000 machine with a 3080 vs $3800 machine with a 3090. So more like 25% more expensive for a machine which renders your game 15% faster.
If you are using this for computation, then you need to look at the total cost of ownership. You are probably fitting 3 cards into each machine, and lets say the rest of the machine is $2k. So the cost difference is $6500 vs $4100 for each machine. Now you are only getting 15% more processing from a 60% more expensive rig, but you are also getting 140% more VRAM. This may or may not be important to you, for instance you generally need higher VRAM for computer vision models than for natural language processing. You will also be more efficient with electricity usage.
If you are a hobbyist then you probably aren't the target market for the 3090. This is likely why it doesn't make any sense to you why anyone would buy it. But there is a target market for these cards and they aren't just throwing away money (well, some are I'm sure).
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