Good feminism and bad feminism

Ilya Shambat <[email protected]> Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:31:27 -0700 (PDT)
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When feminism went bad, there were people saying that people should remain =
a part of it because prior to that feminism has done right things.

This is like Putin saying that people should support his war in Ukraine bec=
ause in the past he has been a decent leader.

For a long time feminism was a good cause. It fought for right things =E2=
=80=93 women=E2=80=99s right to a safe life inside the home and a fulfillin=
g life outside the home. Then it went bad and started telling women that th=
ey can=E2=80=99t be beautiful, that they can=E2=80=99t be kind and that the=
y can=E2=80=99t have loving relationships with men. This resulted in many p=
eople who otherwise would have been part of feminism rejecting feminism. An=
d I have been one of these people.

I have a teenage daughter. I most certainly don=E2=80=99t want her to wind =
up a punching bag for some jerk. But neither do I want her to be abused by =
feminists for being kind and pretty. Neither situation would be right. And =
I will inform her about both dangers so that she can avoid either experienc=
e.

For as long as there are men who choose to be jerks, there will be a need f=
or one or another form of feminism. I want the form of feminism being pract=
iced to be the right kind. It should fight for the woman=E2=80=99s right to=
 a safe life inside the home and a fulfilling life outside the home. On oth=
er issues, it needs to move away from its errors. In particular it needs to=
 stop teaching women to be horrible people. Women gain nothing from that an=
d lose the sympathy of both men and other women.

One situation instructive to American feminists is the situation in Sweden.=
 In Sweden feminism is more advanced than it is in America; but women are n=
ot under pressure to be ugly and mean. The Swedish women are very beautiful=
, and they are also kind and friendly. They get more respect than American =
women. Which means that American feminists have a lot to learn from them.

So we have American feminists teaching their followers to be horrible peopl=
e. And =E2=80=93 surprise surprise =E2=80=93 what happens but that American=
 men are looking outside of America to places like Russia for marital partn=
ers. This makes sense on both sides. The American man stands to get treated=
 much better by a Russian woman than by an American feminist, and the Russi=
an woman stands to be treated much better by an American man than by a Russ=
ian man. This results in better people having better relationships. And it =
also results in an incentive on the offending gender in each society to imp=
rove their treatment of the other gender, or else see the other gender leav=
e in large numbers to be with people who are willing to be good to them.

There is good feminism and there is bad feminism. The Swedish version of fe=
minism is much better than the American version. Anything human can go righ=
t and anything human can go wrong. It does not make sense to either support=
 or oppose all of feminism. It makes sense to support what feminism is righ=
t about and oppose what it is wrong about.

When a movement goes wrong, it discredits even the things that it has been =
right about. Abuses of feminism have discredited feminism as such. So now t=
here are men who keep claiming that Western misogynists have been right all=
 along and that women are evil and should be battered. This did not need to=
 have happened. This happened because feminism went wrong.

Choosing whether or not to side with a movement is a matter of freedom of c=
onscience. A conscientious man supports what the movement is right about an=
d confronts what it is wrong about. I don=E2=80=99t need to support wrongs =
in feminism to be in favor of women=E2=80=99s rights. I support what=E2=80=
=99s right in feminism and confront what=E2=80=99s wrong in feminism. And I=
 hope that other people make the same choice.