Aristotle and Freud
Ilya Shambat <[email protected]> Sun, 1 Oct 2023 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
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When I told an astrologer friend that I was reading Aristotle, he told me t= hat Aristotle started the meanness that has been ongoing in the Western civ= ilization. The confusion there is one between the value and the misuses of = the value. Aristotle invented a system of logic. Logic is not a bad thing a= t all. It becomes bad when it gets misused to commit emotional violence. In fact, many of the people who use logic that way can be easily shown to b= e illogical. We see this for example with Freudians. These people think tha= t children are in love with the parent of the opposite gender, and that lov= e in adulthood is transference of these feelings. This can be logically sho= wn to be wrong. At the time of Freud there were few single-parent household= s and homosexuals to study; now there are plenty of them. And what we find = again and again, is that women raised by single mothers, men raised by sing= le fathers, homosexuals raised by the parent of opposite gender, and people= raised without either parent, fall in love just as readily as do the peopl= e who are raised in nuclear families. Since these people don=E2=80=99t have a transference figure, their feelings= cannot be transference. Finally, since the feelings developed by people raised in the nuclear famil= ies are of the same character as theirs, their feelings cannot be transfere= nce either. So we have people thinking that romantic love is irrational. I have known h= ighly rational people =E2=80=93 including scientists, teachers, inventors a= nd military personnel =E2=80=93 who started their matches with romantic lov= e and are still going strong when they are in their 90s. These people are f= ar more rational and responsible than people who militate against love. And= it is they that should be setting the tone for man-woman relationships. When I was writing about my spiritual experiences, people were claiming me = to be illogical. That is wrong. I have had experiences with less than a bil= lionth chance of happening whose only possible explanations are spiritual. = I would have to be completely psychotic to deny these experiences. When fac= ed with an experience that contradicts the worldview, the logical thing to = do is not to deny the experience but to correct the worldview. So we have people claiming that one must live =E2=80=9Con Earth.=E2=80=9D T= hese people have an inadequate view of what is Earth. The Earth is not just= its crust. It is also the molten metal in the center, the oceans and atmos= phere at the top, and all the life that lives on it. The people who see onl= y the crust do ignorant things. And it sometimes takes a reasoned argument = from a perspective that they haven=E2=80=99t considered to correct their er= rors. I am not against logic, and I am not against science. Both are important pu= rsuits, and a lot is owed to both. I am however against bigotry, whether it= is done in the name of religion or in the name of logic. The people who th= ink such things as that romantic love or spiritual experience are irrationa= l are not being logical, they are being bigoted. And it then takes a strong= ly reasoned argument, that they cannot claim to be illogical, to correct th= eir errors. Logic is a useful tool, and I highly recommend that people learn how to use= it correctly. What I do not recommend is that it be used to attack such th= ings as romantic love and spiritual experience. Misuses of the value discre= dit the value itself. This then feeds irrational ideologies. And the person= who truly respects logic will respect it enough not to use it to do wrong = things.