Re: Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac) says abortion SAVED HER CAREER

On 10/28/20 12:15 AM, Dutch wrote:
> On 2020-10-27 7:10 p.m., BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 10/27/20 6:39 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2020-10-27 8:45 a.m., BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/20 4:00 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-10-26 1:13 p.m., BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/20 3:12 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2020-10-26 7:29 a.m., BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some human lives are worthwhile, yours seems like a big waste.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The HATE is strong in this one.... may the HATE be with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's hard not to hate what humans have done to this beautiful 
>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asteroids and Gama Ray Bursts and ice ages and other things will 
>>>>>> do worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's NOT really logical to hate a non entity that is just adhering 
>>>>>> to the laws of the universe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say I hated asteroids.
>>>>
>>>> Are you stupid or something? I didn't say you did I said hating 
>>>> humanity is like hating an asteroid which is just an entity a thing 
>>>> that exists according the the physical laws of the universe and all 
>>>> could do similar damage .
>>>>
>>>> I said hating humanity and you clearly do hate humanity, is not 
>>>> logical unless you also hate other things like an asteroid that will 
>>>> result in the same kind of damage of extinctions and deaths and 
>>>> destruction of life as it was 10,000 years ago.
>>>
>>> So humans causing death and destruction is the equivalent of a 
>>> natural disaster? What a brain-dead idea.
>>>
>>
>> What was the Chinese Communist Party Virus, it was released by the 
>> (CCP) are you calling it a man made disaster that was above and beyond 
>> NATURE and the cause needs to be tracked down and the perpetrators 
>> killed by the CIA?
> 
> The virus arose because man kept bats and civit cats in close proximity, 
> the cats caught the virus from the bats who are immune, then people ate 
> the cats. So that behavior should be illegal.
> 
>> Or should we look at it as a celestial event where the universe lined 
>> up and we worked with the hand we were dealt?
> 
> Of course we have to deal with the pandemic, not pretend we can bullshit 
> it away like Trump is trying to do.
> 
>>>> You do know that even a super volcano could create atmospheric 
>>>> changes and little ice ages and deserts and areas that are lifeless 
>>>> and spew toxins (or at least what you think of as toxins).  SO since 
>>>> you're basing this on your opinions, it's all in your head and it's 
>>>> NOT reality because in reality the universe could do worse to the 
>>>> planet on any given day so every day is a chance for the universe to 
>>>> make humanity look like a bothersome gnat as the universe wipes out 
>>>> part or all of the planets "charms" that you seem to think have more 
>>>> of a place here than humanity.
>>>
>>> That was an incomprehensible word salad.
>>
>> Good for you, enjoy the salad.
>>>
>>>> I'm suspecting that something is broken in your mind and you need to 
>>>> look for some kind of psychological help.
>>>
>>> I suspect that you are beyond help.
>>
>> I'm NOT the one who hates humanity and human life in the uterus.
> 
> Humanity is a plague.
> 
>> I think we need to prioritize the help and you seem to need it much 
>> more than I.
> 
> I'm fine, but thanks.
> 
>>>>> Your logic is like saying that I shouldn't hate violent pedophiles 
>>>>> who only kill a few children when there are others who kill lots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing, you're against abortion right? Well, nature flushes 
>>>>> fertilized eggs all the time. It's not logical to hate nature.
>>>>
>>>> Again The LAWS OF THE Universe limit the actions and I didn't claim 
>>>> that GOD or the laws of physics doesn't allow abortion, it's simple 
>>>> a respect for human life. We accept that human life has RIGHTS 
>>>> called inalienable RIGHTS and that in order for humans, when there 
>>>> are more than two and since it takes two for there to be a species, 
>>>> that when two humans are present IN THE UNITED STATES that they have 
>>>> inalienable RIGHTS.... among those are the RIGHT to LIFE LIBERTY and 
>>>> the RIGHT to property, so the largest can't just kill and steal and 
>>>> makes slaves of the weaker.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have a problem with the scientifically accepted point 
>>>> when human life begins.  It begins when the science tells us it 
>>>> begins, and that seems to be when the DNA combines to form the 
>>>> complete DNA of a unique human life.
>>>
>>> Where did you get the idea that I don't know that? 
>>
>> I said you don't seem to "accept" that science.
>> That or you can't accept the social norms of humanity.
> 






> The norm in society all over the world is women, in consultation with a 
> doctor, have the choice to carry a pregnancy to term or end it. It's 
> nobody else's business.
>

How'd that work out in China?


Where "by the way" they previously starved 40 million with Mao's

[""""Great Leap Forward
Main article: Great Leap Forward

Mao Zedong, Chair of the Chinese Communist Party, introduced drastic 
changes in farming policy which prohibited farm ownership. Failure to 
abide by the policies led to punishment. The social pressure imposed on 
the citizens in terms of farming and business, which the government 
controlled, led to state instability. Owing to the laws passed during 
the period and the Great Leap Forward during 1958–1962, about 36 million 
people died of starvation in this period, according to an analysis by 
journalist Yang Jisheng.[56]
People's commune
Main article: People's commune
The public dining hall (canteen) of a people's commune. The slogan on 
the wall reads "Eat Free, Work Hard".

During the Great Leap Forward, farming was organized into people's 
communes and the cultivation of privately owned plots forbidden. Iron 
and steel production was identified as a key requirement for economic 
advancement. Millions of peasants were ordered away from agricultural 
work to join the iron and steel production workforce.

In 2008, Yang Jisheng would summarize the effect of the focus on 
production targets :

     In Xinyang, people starved at the doors of the grain warehouses. As 
they died, they shouted, "Communist Party, Chairman Mao, save us". If 
the granaries of Henan and Hebei had been opened, no one need have died. 
As people were dying in large numbers around them, officials did not 
think to save them. Their only concern was how to fulfill the delivery 
of grain.[27]

In fact, the topic of the people's commune and the degree in which it 
influenced the famine holds contention in regards to its overall 
influence. Each region dealt with the famine differently and timelines 
of the famine are not uniform across China. The overarching argument is 
that excessive eating that took place in the mess halls directly led to 
a worsening of the famine and that if excessive eating did not take 
place then, "the worst of the Great Leap Famine could still have been 
avoided in mid-1959".[57] However, dire hunger did not set into places 
like Da Fo village until 1960,[58] and the public dining hall 
participation rate was found to be meaningless in terms of causation in 
Anhui and Jiangxi.[59] In Da Fo village, "food output did not decline in 
reality, but there was an astonishing loss of food availability 
associated with Maoist state appropriation".[60] """""]

Are you saying you agree with China that dead by starvation or abortion 
is acceptable?  Because they did starve the mothers and the fetus.

And later did institute the one child law that forced abortions. And 
since families wanted they family sir name to live on, they would also 
kill the child outside the uterus if the child was a female, which means 
that you are tacitly agreeing that killing the females in the uterus and 
outside the uterus is acceptable, because these are all shades of grey 
that come out of the ABORTION laws that make it legal to and also dip 
the toe of economics into the survival of a human life. when it's 
cheaper to raise a male child and the benefits (perks) are positive, 
while having a FEMALE is less financially and less positive for perks 
then females will be aborted.

   Which makes it look like you mostly hate women.  And since Abortion 
is generally anti woman you support abortion, but it goes down hill from 
there when you add in race and other genetic attributes, abortion 
becomes a clearing house to empty the wombs of women of the less sought 
after attributes of humanity, which limits the diversity and 
Democrats/Liberals tell us that they want diversity yet they support 
limiting diversity....

*Liberalism is unsustainable, self destructive and contradicting*

Marxist-Democrats ideology is insidious when you drill down into how it 
really works. Why are more black uterus' emptied out of their children? 
why in china were more uterus' emptied out of females and then many were 
killed after they were born because they couldn't determine the sex 
until then. Killing HUMAN LIFE is wrong and doing it can be corrupted to 
even more weird or insidious reasoning than just the fact you want to 
kill a human life. It signals deeper issues are at work.

Women who get abortions are in my experience damaged by it mentally and 
suffer PTSD from mild to severe.  It seems to get worse as they get 
older.  Coming to terms with things you do can be difficult and killing 
a human life is a tough one to rationalize.  It breaks what would be 
considered a hard person.


>> If you choose to accept abortion then the next question is what 
>> happens when someone else demands that women abort their babies.
> 
> No it isn't. The two do not follow at all.


Yes they do.  Once you drink alcohol the question becomes where do you 
draw the limit, is it when you get buzzed or pass out or when you die.

If you don't start to drink then there is no reason to explore the other 
questions about where you quit drinking.

If you don't start aborting human life there is no issue of BLACK or 
WHITE babies or male/female and where the limit will be. And since 
you're not willing to face the questions that arise after you start 
abortions you're a prime example of why it should NOT exist.







>> If you established that it's OK to abort a human life then why would 
>> you be opposed to someone forcing someone else to abort a human 
>> life... if the human life has no RIGHTS and no why NOT just remove the 
>> RIGHTS of the woman, it's just as easy then force the woman to abort 
>> as to allow a woman to abort and in many cases it may be declared a 
>> public health mandate.  And if the woman refuses then it may be deemed 
>> legal and in PUBLIC SAFETY to execute the woman and the baby. Why is 
>> the woman any more valuable than the human life in her uterus?
> 
> Because the woman is a person, the fetus is not a person.
> 
>>
>>
>>> What is not settled is when a human life becomes a person with the 
>>> full protection of the state.
>>
>>
>> And there we have the question, we know what and when HUMAN LIFE is.
>>
>> What we don't know is why Democrats ignore it.
> 
> It's not a Democrat Republican thing. A large majority of people support 
> a woman's choice.
> 
>>
>>>> Will that include man made clones, that will be for science to 
>>>> tackle but they appear to be human (homosapiens) and alive.
>>>
>>> What about frozen embryos? What about the fertilized eggs flushed out 
>>> in a woman's monthly cycle, should the state intervene to protect them?
>>
>> Again you confuse man made with nature...  just because nature does 
>> something doesn't we need to do it.
> 
> I didn't say we need to do it, my point was that ending the life cycle 
> of an embryo is not uncommon in nature.
> 
> A human has status as a person before birth, within a woman's body, when 
> that woman decides it does. It's a jurisdiction thing.
> 
>>
>> We can respect human life, or NOT.
>> You choose to NOT respect it.  I never said you're forced by nature to 
>> respect human life, Free will and all that.  But society can either 
>> protect life or society will collapse, and the universe will continue 
>> to exist.  But you might NOT.
> 
> The human population has tripled in my lifetime. Human society, as well 
> as all life, is under threat from human overpopulation. One less baby 
> now only delays the inevitable end of the planet being habitable.


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