Re: Existence - not "better" than never existing

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 13:22:09 +0100, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<[email protected]>:

>On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:55:54 -0700
>Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:12:08 +0100, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <[email protected]>:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:34:23 -0700
>> >Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:31:04 -0700, the following appeared
>> >> in sci.skeptic, posted by Ron Hamilton
>> >> <[email protected]>:
>> >> 
>> >> >On 1/21/2011 10:18 AM, T. Howard Pines, Jr. wrote:
>> >> >> Coming into existence, or "getting to experience life", is not better than never 
>> >> >> existing.  It can't be, because no such comparison can be made.  Nor can 
>> >> >> existence be worse than never existing, for the same reason.
>> >> >
>> >> >Correct.
>> >> >
>> >> Agreed. While the stated comparison isn't, strictly speaking
>> >> and AFAIK, a logical fallacy, it *is* an error in logic.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> In order to say that anything is better or worse for an entity, one necessarily 
>> >> >> is talking about two different states of welfare or well-being for the entity.  
>> >> >> But an entity must exist in order to have a welfare state of well-being.  Thus, 
>> >> >> the comparison between existence and non-existence, from the perspective of the 
>> >> >> entity, cannot be made.  It is absurd.
>> >> >
>> >> >Also correct.
>> >
>> >I think "David" no longer posts to Usenet.
>> >
>> >It's been 14 years since this "discussion"
>> >
>> "David"? I only see Ron and T. Howard.
>> 
>He was a constant poster back then, with this very bee (about existence) in
>his bonnet, Vegetarians were denying animals the right to be born and
>experience life before being eaten.
>
Sounds like the usual idiot we see in t.o.
>
>> That aside, I didn't notice the age; thanks for the
>> heads-up.
>> >
>OK.
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