Re: Existence - not "better" than never existing

On 4/15/25 05:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:55:54 -0700
> Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:12:08 +0100, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:34:23 -0700
>>> Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:31:04 -0700, the following appeared
>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by Ron Hamilton
>>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/21/2011 10:18 AM, T. Howard Pines, Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> Coming into existence, or "getting to experience life", is not better than never
>>>>>> existing.  It can't be, because no such comparison can be made.  Nor can
>>>>>> existence be worse than never existing, for the same reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>
>>>> Agreed. While the stated comparison isn't, strictly speaking
>>>> and AFAIK, a logical fallacy, it *is* an error in logic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to say that anything is better or worse for an entity, one necessarily
>>>>>> is talking about two different states of welfare or well-being for the entity.
>>>>>> But an entity must exist in order to have a welfare state of well-being.  Thus,
>>>>>> the comparison between existence and non-existence, from the perspective of the
>>>>>> entity, cannot be made.  It is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also correct.
>>>
>>> I think "David" no longer posts to Usenet.
>>>
>>> It's been 14 years since this "discussion"
>>>
>> "David"? I only see Ron and T. Howard.
>>
> He was a constant poster back then, with this very bee (about existence) in
> his bonnet, Vegetarians were denying animals the right to be born and
> experience life before being eaten.
> 
>> That aside, I didn't notice the age; thanks for the
>> heads-up.
>>>
> OK.

Yea I did not notice this thread was that old either.

I found it in alt.philosophy.

In general, I think of 'minds' as something different
from 'brains'.  In other words 'brains' are like 'hardware'
in computers and 'minds' are like 'software'.  I also think
it is possible for them to be different on that basis.

It is hard to say what is 'relevant'.  I have clipped some
of the groups from this response.