Re: PPB: Poem for Kathy / Will Dockery

> George J. Dance wrote:
> 
>> Will-Dockery wrote:
>> 
>>> Miguel Sucio wrote:
>>> [snip]
>> 
>> 
>> Okay, you're right, for whatever reasons neither Pendragon or Dance has responded on the correct way to use a comma "inside quotation marks."
>> 
>> I suppose it isn't worth arguing about, anyhow, so we can just forget about it if you want to.
>> 
>> If GJD or Pendragon see this and want to comment, fine. Otherwise I say let's not continue wasting time going around and around over it.
>> 
>> If it happens again I'll probably mention it, but I have a feeling you won't be making that same mistake again, Miguel.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> I suspect that it may be a time-waster, but since you name-checked me I'll venture
> one quick response.
> 
> First off, the he /Chicago Manual of Style/ agrees with you. Here's an example:
> "In publications that follow Chicago style, commas and periods are placed before a closing quotation mark, “like this,” rather than after, “like this”. This convention has persisted even though it’s no longer universally followed outside the United States and isn’t entirely logical.
> The other standard marks of sentence punctuation"semicolons, colons, question marks, exclamation points, and dashes"go after a closing quotation mark unless they belong to the quoted matter."
> 
> That's the rule in American English (whichh follows CMoS), and if you're a student at an American school, or writing for
> an American publicaition, that's the rule you should follow.
> 
> Since I'm neither, I don't follow that rule; I prefer the more logical one of putting commas and periods inside the
> quotation marks only if they are part of the quoted material. when a complete sentence is being quoted, it makes
> sense to put the period inside, or a comma if it's taking the place of a period:
> 
> He said, "I'll do that when time permits."
> or
> "I'll do that when time permits," he said.
> 
> But if you're quoting a sentecce fragment, which doesn't end with any punctuation, it makes sense to not include punctuation:
> 
> He said he'll do that "when time permits".
> or
> He'll do that "when time permits", or so he said.
> 
> Having corresponded with MMP for more than a decade, I have a good idea how he'd respond. He's a champion of
> American English, and likes to quote /CMOS/. However, since he probably considers it more important to never
> ackowledge that you're right about anything, I suspect he won't be commenting.



BTW, the /CMoS/ article I quoted is an interesting look at the subject:
https://cmosshoptalk.com/2020/10/20/commas-and-periods-with-quotation-marks/


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