Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote:
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:59:17 PM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:18:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 6:39:37 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 5:04:45 PM UTC-   CUT
> > > cross-examination. Also called an adverse witness. 
> > > 
> > > == UNQUOTE == 
> > > 
> > > And since you're already at the point of admitting Oswald was on McWatters 
> > > bus, what's the point of doubting a woman who says she was on that bus and 
> > > recognized him from when he rented a room from her (and stiffed her for 
> > > the final week's rent he owed)? 
> > 
> > The authorities fallaciously placed Jones on the same bus with Oswald.
> Repeating that argument doesn't make it a better one.
> > (Jones relates that cops boarded & held up the bus for an hour. In all 
> > his extensive testimony, McW doesn't say one word about such an event. 
> > They were on different busses.)
> Then why did Jones and McWatters relate roughly the same incident with the disbelieving woman? 
> Jones told the FBI: 
> https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2641.pdf 
> == QUOTE == 
> JONES estimated the bus was held up by the police officers for about one hour

Let me interrupt your quotation here.  Thank you--that first line confirms 
that Jones & McWatters were talking about two different bus trips.  
Nowhere did McWatters say anything like what Jones says here, re an 
hour-long detention of the bus by police.

 and, after they were permitted to resume, they crossed the Marsalis 
Bridge, where a woman, abaat forty to forty five years of age, boarded the 
bus . She sat in the side seat immediately in front of him near the door 
and the boa driver asked her whether she had heard that the President had 
been shot . She replied that she had not heard anything in that regard, 
and stated she did not believe it was true . The driver then pointed to 
JONES and said, 'Ask him, he saw St ." JONES said the driver was smiling 
at this time and the woman turned to him and he told her, "I don't know 
anything about it . I just heard some others say that the President had 
been shot .' He said that because of the expression on the woman's face 
both he and the driver were smiling at the time, and she then said, "You 
are both smiling, so I don't believe it ."

> == UNQUOTE == 
> 
> McWatters told the Warren Commission in his testimony: 
> == QUOTE == 
> Mr. BALL - Didn't some lady say something? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Well, yes, sir. 
> Now, as we got on out on Marsalis, along about it was either Edgemont or 
Vermont, I believe it was Vermont Street, there was a lady who was fixing 
to cross the intersection and I stopped and asked her if she was going to 
catch the bus into town from the opposite direction, and she said that she 
was and I told her that we was off schedule, that the other bus had done 
went into town, and I asked her did she care to just ride on to the end of 
the line and come back and she wouldn't have to stand there and wait, and 
she was getting on, and I asked her had she heard the news of the 
President being shot, at the time that was all I knew about it, and she 
said, "No, what are you--you are just kidding me."

> I said, "No, I really am not kidding you." I said, "It is the truth from all the reliable sources that we have come in contact with," and this teenage boy sitting on the side, I said "Well, now, if you think I am kidding you," I said, "Ask this gentleman sitting over here," and he kind of, I don't know whether it was a grinning or smile or whatever expression it was, and she said, "I know you are kidding now, because he laughed or grinned or made some remark to that effect." 
> And I just told her no it wasn't no kidding matter, but that was part of the conversation that was said at that time. 
> == UNQUOTE == 
> 
> Beyond that, Jones himself puts himself on McWatters bus

And in his statement to the FBI re the hour-long police delay takes 
himself right off it.

, and McWatters puts Jones on his bus, so you're not just arguing with me, 
you're back to disputing the witnesses. 

They're disputing each other.

And in fact, they talked about what transpired the day of the assassination 
the next time Jones rode McWatters bus.

> 
> Jones told the FBI: 
> == QUOTE == 
> He said that aa November 22, 1963, he attended the usual morning sessions of classes at high school and got out o school at about 11145 AM. He 88110 he walked to Elm Street near the Capri Theatre, where he waited far the KOrsalis bus, which arrived at approximately 12:10 or 12:15 PM. He said that, upon boarding the bus, he sat in the first seat facing forward on the curb aide of the bus and was alone . He recognized the driver by sight as one who frequently drove the bus at the time of day, but stated he did not know him by name. 
> ... 
> He said that, in conversation with this same bus driver on the following Monday, the driver told him the Dallas Police Department had him up until one o'clock on Saturday or Sunday morning questioning him about the passenger on his bus who looked like LEE HARVEY OSWALD . 
> == UNQUOTE == 
> 
> Meanwhile, McWatters said this, even naming Milton Jones as the teenager that he talked with: 
> == QUOTE == 
> Mr. BALL - The same teenager? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - The same teenager rode with me the next day. 
> Mr. BALL - And you noticed he got off there? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, and I noticed, and I asked him, like I told him, I said that I was--I thought that, you know, that he was, when he first got on down there, I says, "From all indications, we had you kind of pinpointed as the man who might have been mixed up in the assassination and everything." And-- 
> Mr. BALL - Do I understand the day after you made the affidavit, this would be the 23d of November? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Yes. 
> Mr. BALL - That this same teenager got on your bus again? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, he got on. 
> Mr. BALL - And you noticed where you let him off? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - I noticed where I let him off, yes, sir. 
> Mr. BALL - Is that the reason that today you remember he got off? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - That is it today I remember, just like I say, I remember I talked to him the next day, and he told me where he got on, and he told me where he got on, and where he got off and where he lived, and, you know that-- 
> Mr. BALL - Has he been on your bus since? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Yes. 
> Mr. BALL - He has? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - He has rode with me since. 
> Mr. BALL - Yes. I see. Did you give him a transfer that day? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - No, because he gets on and he lives within about two blocks of the busline, in other words, where he gets off. 
> Mr. BALL - Do you know this boy's name? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - I believe his name is Milton Jones. 
> Mr. BALL - Milton Jones? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Milton Jones. I don't believe I know where he lives, but I pass where he lives. But he told me his name was Milton Jones and he told me he was 17. 
> Mr. BALL - Did he ever tell you where he works? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - He told me that, I believe, he goes to school half a day, I believe he said and I believe he goes home and he has a part-time job, but he never did state where he works. 
> Mr. BALL - Did he tell you where he went to school? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir; he never did tell me where he went to school. 
> Mr. BALL - Or where he worked? 
> Mr. McWATTERS - Where he worked, either one. 
> == UNQUOTE ==
> > It follows that they fallaciously placed 
> > Bledsoe on that bus.
> This argument fails because the previous argument fails. It also fails because Bledsoe places herself on that bus and you're back to arguing with the witness. She said she recognized Oswald, she saw him get on, she observed he was on the bus for a few blocks, and she saw him get off shortly after he got on. 

Bledsoe's statements fail because Jones eliminated himself (see above) as 
the Oswald understudy who rode the bus to Oak Cliff.  Takes Jones out of 
the equation (and Jones did), and Oswald does NOT get off the bus on Elm.  
He takes it to Oak Cliff.  Like Jones, Bledsoe was apparently roped into 
the McWatters-Oswald story under false pretenses, or through valid 
confusion.

dcw