Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 3:54:46 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 9:18:03 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 6:58:16 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:46:27 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:59:14 PM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:18:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 6:39:37 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 5:04:45 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:24:56 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:13:58 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:15:06 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 7:47:47 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > And yet I'd be willing to bet that you swear by the lineup IDs of the six 
> > > > > > > > > > > > witnesses. Apparently, lineups clear up memories and make participants 
> > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly more "observant" and unerring. 
> > > > > > > > > > > My position on witnesses has always been consistent. I believe witnesses 
> > > > > > > > > > > who can be corroborated. The fact that these witnesses IDed the guy who 
> > > > > > > > > > > was arrested in possession of the gun that killed Tippit is rock solid 
> > > > > > > > > > > corroboration. If they had IDed somebody else, I would doubt them. 
> > > > > > > > > > McWatters ID'd Oswald, "who was arrested in possession of the gun that 
> > > > > > > > > > killed Tippit." And yet the Commission rejected that ID. So much for 
> > > > > > > > > > "rock solid". McW was "corroborated". I think that my objections to at 
> > > > > > > > > > least 3 other "positive" lineup IDs (Va. Davis, Markham, Scoggins), like 
> > > > > > > > > > McW's, are at least as valid, if not more so, than the Commission's. 
> > > > > > > > > The WC did not reject McWatters' ID of Oswald as the man who got on his 
> > > > > > > > > bus and then got off a short time later. 
> > > > > > > > Sounds like they DID: "McWatters' recollection alone was too vague to be 
> > > > > > > > a basis for placing Oswald on the bus." (WR p159) 
> > > > > > > No, you're quoting out of context. They concluded from the evidence that 
> > > > > > > Oswald did ride McWatters bus, as McWatters testified, but his 
> > > > > > > recollection **alone** wasn't sufficient. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > They also had the bus transfer that Oswald could only have obtained from 
> > > > > > > being on McWatters bus and they said that: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "When Oswald was apprehended, a bus transfer marked for the 
> > > > > > > Lakewood-Marsalis route was found in his shirt pocket. The transfer was 
> > > > > > > dated "Fri. Nov. 22, '63" and was punched in two places by the busdriver. 
> > > > > > > On the basis of this punchmark, which was distinctive to each Dallas 
> > > > > > > driver, the transfer was conclusively identified as having been issued by 
> > > > > > > Cecil J. McWatters, a busdriver for the Dallas Transit Co. On the basis of 
> > > > > > > the date and time on the transfer, McWatters was able to testify that the 
> > > > > > > transfer had been issued by him on a trip which passed a check point at 
> > > > > > > St. Paul and Elm Streets at 12:36 p.m., November 22, 1963." 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And they had the ID of his former landlady: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Riding on the bus was an elderly woman, Mary Bledsoe, who confirmed the 
> > > > > > > mute evidence of the transfer. Oswald had rented a room from Mrs. Bledsoe 
> > > > > > > about 6 weeks before, on October 7, but she had asked him to leave at the 
> > > > > > > end of a week. Mrs. Bledsoe told him "I am not going to rent to you any 
> > > > > > > more." She testified, "I didn't like his attitude.... There was just 
> > > > > > > something about him I didn't like or want him.... Just didn't want him 
> > > > > > > around me." 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hostile witness! She already didn't like him. Her chance to "get" 
> > > > > > Oswald.... 
> > > > > > > All three, together, form enough of a web that it snares Oswald. 
> > > > > > An old, decrepit web. And I don't think I said that McWatters didn't pick 
> > > > > > up Oswald. I just showed how he did not pick up Oswald and Jones on the 
> > > > > > same bus trip. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > So what's your beef? Let's say they were on separate trips, so what? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If they were on different trips, Oswald had to be on the earlier one 
> > > > > because his landlady saw him at 1:00PM, and he was seen on Jefferson by 
> > > > > Brewer about 1:30PM, and he was arrested at 1:50. He also had a transfer 
> > > > > that McWatters punched for 1pm on his person, and McWatters identified 
> > > > > that transfer as one he gave to the man who left the bus. That man would 
> > > > > be Oswald. Whaley puts him in his cab about 1:45 and Roberts puts him at 
> > > > > the rooming house at "about 1:00 PM". 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And, lest I forget, numerous witnesses and some physical evidence puts him 
> > > > > at the scene or in the vicinity of the Tippit killing at 1:15PM. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unless of course all those people and more were colluding to frame Oswald 
> > > > > because they are all hostile witnesses and already didn't like him, or 
> > > > > something like that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't see how your argument(s) removes Oswald from the scene of the 
> > > > > crime whatsoever. 
> > > > > 
> > > > You didn't give this much thought. If Jones isn't on Oswald's bus, then 
> > > > it was in fact Oswald who took McWatters' bus all the way to Oak Cliff, 
> > > > getting there about 1:23, as I detail in "Only Oswald...." 
> > > > 
> > > So who do you think Whaley took to Oak Cliff in his cab? Who do you think 
> > > Earlene Roberts saw come into her rooming house around 1:00? 
> > 
> > Roberts may have seen Oswald come in... about 1:11. But despite Hank I 
> > still believe that she didn't see him at all between 12:30 & 1:30.
> Last time I looked, 1:11 was between 12:30 and 1:30. 
> 
> Your argument here is contradictory and it appears you yourself don't know 
> what your argument is.

No.  I stated a couple alternatives:  R sees O at 1:11.  R doesn't see O 
at all (between 12:30 & 1:30).  I favor the latter, but the former event 
is a possibility, too.

> > 
> > I have no idea who if anyone Whaley took to Oak Cliff when....
> Of course you don't. 

Mr. Glib....

dcw