Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 3:55:07 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 11:42:06 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:46:27 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:59:14 PM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:18:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 6:39:37 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 5:04:45 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:24:56 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:13:58 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:15:06 CUT 
> > > > > If they were on different trips, Oswald had to be on the earlier one 
> > > > > because his landlady saw him at 1:00PM, and he was seen on Jefferson by 
> > > > > Brewer about 1:30PM, and he was arrested at 1:50. He also had a transfer 
> > > > > that McWatters punched for 1pm on his person, and McWatters identified 
> > > > > that transfer as one he gave to the man who left the bus. That man would 
> > > > > be Oswald. Whaley puts him in his cab about 1:45 and Roberts puts him at 
> > > > > the rooming house at "about 1:00 PM". 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And, lest I forget, numerous witnesses and some physical evidence puts him 
> > > > > at the scene or in the vicinity of the Tippit killing at 1:15PM. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unless of course all those people and more were colluding to frame Oswald 
> > > > > because they are all hostile witnesses and already didn't like him, or 
> > > > > something like that. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't see how your argument(s) removes Oswald from the scene of the 
> > > > > crime whatsoever. 
> > > > > 
> > > > You didn't give this much thought. If Jones isn't on Oswald's bus, then 
> > > > it was in fact Oswald who took McWatters' bus all the way to Oak Cliff, 
> > > > getting there about 1:23, as I detail in "Only Oswald...." 
> > > > 
> > > > dcw 
> > > That assumption doesn't hold water. You're ignoring the evidence I already 
> > > spelled out above. 
> > > 
> > > 1. McWatters said he gave a transfer out on that trip to one man who got 
> > > off the bus after only a few blocks. 

In his affidavit of 11/22/63 he said that he thought that he gave it out 
to someone who was on the bus into Oak Cliff.

> 
> No obection? 
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > 2. When Oswald was arrested, he had that transfer. 
> 
> No objection? 

Hardly.  That transfer is what made the hilarity of the Jones story and 
McWatters' testimony necessary.

> 
> > > 
> > > 3. Bledsoe said Oswald was on the bus only a few blocks. 
> 
> 
> No objection? 

She could  say anything she wanted to.  


> > > 4. Bledsoe and McWatters both allude to the same incident with someone 
> > > coming to the bus door and saying the President was shot: (Bledsoe: 
> > > "During that time someone made the statement that the President had 
> > > been shot") (McWatters: "Well, I was sitting in the bus, there was some 
> > > gentleman in front of me in a car, and he came back and walked up to 
> > > the bus and I opened the door and he said, "I have heard over my radio 
> > > in my car that the President has been--" I believe he used the 
> > > word--"has been shot."). 
> 
> No objection to what I wrote? 

I've discussed automobile man.  A few minutes later, in his testimony, McW 
himself cancelled this guy out by reiterating that Jones was the one who 
told him about the shooting.

> 
> > 
> > McWatters said that Oswald (later, Jones) told him that the President had 
> > been "shot in the temple". Jones said that not only did he not say that, 
> > but that no one on the bus had said that. Jones was supposedly the person 
> > whom McW mistook Oswald for. Doesn't hold water. 
> 
> 
> We're talking about Bledsoe here.

Jones eliminated himself as McW's shot-in-the-forehead man with his 
anecdote re the police holding up the bus he was on for an hour.  Which 
means that one Oswald went all the way to Oak Cliff and another (if you 
buy Bledsoe) got off on Elm.


 I see you're changing the subject to a 
> contradiction between McWatters and Jones in their statements. You didn't 
> address my point at all. 
> 
> So was McWatters wrong about who said it or was it not said to McWatters 
> ever? 
> 

Oswald said it, as per McW's affidavit.

> Your argument is unclear. Choose one. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 5. Oswald admitted in custody he got off the bus and took a cab. This is 
> > > noted in different LEO's memos for the record, working for different 
> > > agencies. 
> > 
> > Faith-based "evidence". 
> 
> 
> Sorry, no. Let me clue you in. Next time you're in court for a speeding 
> ticket, try telling the judge that the law enforcement officers from three 
> or four different agencies are all lying to frame you.

Kind of a disparity between a speeding ticket and the assassination of a 
President!

 Let me know how 
> that goes. The judge may add years to your sentence for wasting his 
> time. 
> 
> It is your faith-based argument that they all lied to frame Oswald for 
> taking a bus and then a cab, when taking either or both is not a crime. 
> Meanwhile, it is your faith-based argument that they all colluded together 
> to tighten the evidence around Oswald for the assassination by putting in 
> their memos for the record that Oswald *denied* owning a rifle. 
> 

We don't know whether he denied that or not.

> Your arguments make no sense. 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 6. Whaley puts him in his cab because of Oswald's ID bracelet. 
> > > 
> > 
> > And puts those two jackets on him! Go, Whaley! 
> 
> 
> Not an objection to what I wrote. Please note that whoever got into 
> Whaley's cab the same objection would hold -- the passenger was probably 
> not wearing two jackets. But someone got into Whaley's cab wearing a 
> bracelet *identical to Oswald's*

The oh-so-accommodating Whaley SAID that.  Come on, Hank!

 and someone went to the vicinity of 
> Oswald's rooming house. So your argument not only eliminates Oswald, but 
> everyone else -- and we know that's wrong. 
> 
> Because Whaley noted the trip in his ride log. 
> 

As if that couldn't have been rewritten....

> Whaley's testimony concerning Oswald's bracelet: 
> == QUOTE == 
> Mr. BALL. Was there anything in particular about him beside his clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet. Just shiny, you know, how you see anything shiny, an unusual watchband or something shiny, you notice things like that. 
> ... 
> Mr. BALL. I have here a bracelet which is marked 383. Take a look at it and tell me if you have ever seen it before. 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; as near as I can tell that is the bracelet he was wearing the day I carried him, the shiny bracelet I was talking about. 
> Mr. BALL. You mentioned the fact that the man who sat in the front seat of your cab, which you drove from the Greyhound Station on Lamar Street over to 500 North Beckley, had an identification bracelet on him. 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, it looked like an identification bracelet. It looks like this one, sir, it was shiny, I couldn't tell exactly whether that was the bracelet or not. 
> ... 
> Representative FORD. This is something you clearly noticed while he was riding in the car with you? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I noticed it; yes, sir. I always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification bracelets like these, because I make them myself. I made this one. 
> Representative FORD. In other words, you have a particular interest in them? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, I particularly notice things like that. 
> Representative FORD. Did you notice anything unusual about it? 
> Mr. WHALEY. No, sir, it was just a common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of chain links and not stretchbands. Stretchbands are unusual because there is very few of them. 
> Representative FORD. In other words, this was an unusual band? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; this one was a stretchband like the one you showed me. 
> Representative FORD. It is sort of a hobby with you to make these kinds of wristbands? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I make watchbands like that. 
> Mr. BALL. Do you recall when you told, talked to the Dallas police officers that you told them that you had seen a heavy identification bracelet on this passenger's wrist? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir, I told them about the bracelet. 
> Mr. BALL. You told the FBI officers, also? 
> Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; but I don't remember saying it was heavy because I wouldn't have known how heavy it was without handling it. 
> Mr. BALL. You described the bracelet? 
> Mr. WHALEY. I just described the bracelet as a shiny bracelet. 
> == UNQUOTE == 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 7. Roberts puts him rushing into the rooming house at about 1PM and 
> > > leaving after a few minutes zipping up a jacket. 
> > > 
> > 
> > More like 1:10pm. 
> 
> Elsewhere you eliminated Roberts seeing Oswald any time between 12:30 and 
> 1:30. 
> 
> And nobody gives a hoot what you think anyway. You weren't the witness. 
> Roberts was. 
> 

Yes, as Dale Myers found, a confirmed liar.

dcw