Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:10:35 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote:
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:58:39 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 7:07:06 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 11:42:06 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:46:27 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:59:14 PM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:18:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 6:39:37 AM UTC-8, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 5:04:45 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:24:56 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:13:58 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:15:06 CUT 
> > > > > > > If they were on different trips, Oswald had to be on the earlier one 
> > > > > > > because his landlady saw him at 1:00PM, and he was seen on Jefferson by 
> > > > > > > Brewer about 1:30PM, and he was arrested at 1:50. He also had a transfer 
> > > > > > > that McWatters punched for 1pm on his person, and McWatters identified 
> > > > > > > that transfer as one he gave to the man who left the bus. That man would 
> > > > > > > be Oswald. Whaley puts him in his cab about 1:45 and Roberts puts him at 
> > > > > > > the rooming house at "about 1:00 PM". 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And, lest I forget, numerous witnesses and some physical evidence puts him 
> > > > > > > at the scene or in the vicinity of the Tippit killing at 1:15PM. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Unless of course all those people and more were colluding to frame Oswald 
> > > > > > > because they are all hostile witnesses and already didn't like him, or 
> > > > > > > something like that. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I don't see how your argument(s) removes Oswald from the scene of the 
> > > > > > > crime whatsoever. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > You didn't give this much thought. If Jones isn't on Oswald's bus, then 
> > > > > > it was in fact Oswald who took McWatters' bus all the way to Oak Cliff, 
> > > > > > getting there about 1:23, as I detail in "Only Oswald...." 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > dcw 
> > > > > That assumption doesn't hold water. You're ignoring the evidence I already 
> > > > > spelled out above. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. McWatters said he gave a transfer out on that trip to one man who got 
> > > > > off the bus after only a few blocks. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. When Oswald was arrested, he had that transfer. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. Bledsoe said Oswald was on the bus only a few blocks. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4. Bledsoe and McWatters both allude to the same incident with someone 
> > > > > coming to the bus door and saying the President was shot: (Bledsoe: 
> > > > > "During that time someone made the statement that the President had 
> > > > > been shot") (McWatters: "Well, I was sitting in the bus, there was some 
> > > > > gentleman in front of me in a car, and he came back and walked up to 
> > > > > the bus and I opened the door and he said, "I have heard over my radio 
> > > > > in my car that the President has been--" I believe he used the 
> > > > > word--"has been shot."). 
> > > > 
> > > > McWatters said that Oswald (later, Jones) told him that the President had 
> > > > been "shot in the temple". Jones said that not only did he not say that, 
> > > > but that no one on the bus had said that. Jones was supposedly the person 
> > > > whom McW mistook Oswald for. Doesn't hold water. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5. Oswald admitted in custody he got off the bus and took a cab. This is 
> > > > > noted in different LEO's memos for the record, working for different 
> > > > > agencies. 
> > > > 
> > > > Faith-based "evidence". 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6. Whaley puts him in his cab because of Oswald's ID bracelet. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And puts those two jackets on him! Go, Whaley! 
> > > > 
> > > > > 7. Roberts puts him rushing into the rooming house at about 1PM and 
> > > > > leaving after a few minutes zipping up a jacket. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > More like 1:10pm. 
> > > > 
> > > > > 8. Numerous witnesses put Oswald at the scene of the Tippit shooting. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Running down the alley and running down Jefferson, too, a bit earlier. 
> > > > Nice! 
> > > > 
> > > > > 9. The hard evidence of the shells puts Oswald as Tippit's killer. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Soft. 
> > > > 
> > > > > You need to claim all these people (and others) are part of the frame-up 
> > > > > of Oswald to make Oswald go all the way to Oak Cliff on McWatters bus. 
> > > > > What evidence do you have that they all colluded in this way? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A bit fat nothing. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can you even get Oswald from the bus route in Oak Cliff to Jefferson and 
> > > > > Brewer's shoe store in about seven minutes? What is the closest point to 
> > > > > Brewer's shoe store along the bus route? What is the distance? 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I have him arriving at the rooming house about 1:11, the theater about 
> > > > 1:35, allowing him time to duck out of sight of cop cars. 
> > > > 
> > > I'm sure it would fascinating to figure out how you determined Oswald 
> > > didn't get to the rooming house until 1:10 pm. I'm equally sure it 
> > > wouldn't make a bit of sense, but it would still be fascinating. 
> > It makes sense if you realize that Oswald actually was Oswald on 
> > McWatters' bus into Oak Cliff, NOT Jones, who said HIS bus was held up for 
> > an hour by the cops: 
> > 
> > According to McWatters, the bus was still stuck on Elm as late as 12:59, 
> > and a six-minute-plus bus ride would have gotten him to Marsalis and 5th 
> > St. (the closest possible Marsalis stop to the rooming house), in Oak 
> > Cliff, about 1:05. 
> > 
> > Meanwhile--back to Whaley's cab--the intersection of Neely & Beckley (the 
> > supposed cab drop-off site) and the intersection of Marsalis & 5th St. are 
> > roughly equidistant from the rooming house. So a six-minute walk (p163) 
> > for cab Oswald from Neely & Beckley to the rooming house would also be 
> > about a six-minute walk from Marsalis & 5th, which latter would put bus 
> > Oswald at the house at about 1:11.
> There is no way Whaley dropped Oswald off at a point that was a 6 minute 
> walk to the rooming house. As I recall, Whaley erred in logging the actual 
> location because he wrote it was an intersection that didn't exist. It 
> seems clear from his testimony he went a few blocks past the rooming house 
> before Oswald got out. Oswald might have wanted to see if any cops were 
> waiting at the rooming house before he got out of the cab, but that is 
> conjecture. Whaley's log sheet was in 15 minute intervals and he logged 
> this trip in the 12:45 to 1:00 interval. We can't know the exact time he 
> picked up or dropped off Oswald, but we can estimate it based on other 
> known factors.

Whaley actually logged it at 12:30 to 12:45. 

MArk Lane made a big deal of it in RUSH TO JUDGMENT:
== QUOTE ==
The fourteenth notation in Whaley's log for November 22
recorded a trip for a single passenger from the Greyhound Bus
Station to 500 North Beckley.  It showed that the trip lasted
from 12.30 p.m. to 12.45.  It is obvious that a passenger who
boarded the cab at 12.30 got in just at the time when the President
was shot —allegedly by Oswald. The Commission sought to
explain this away by noting that Whaley recorded his trips by
quarter-hour intervals regardless of their actual length. That
odd procedure still would not explain why a ride beginning at
12.47 or 12.48 should be listed in the log as beginning at 12.30. 
Furthermore, Whaley's log—Commission Exhibit 370 —showed
trips beginning or ending at 6.20 a.m., 7.50 a.m., 8.10 a.m.,
9.40 a.m., 10.50 a.m. and 3.10 p.m. on that day.
== UNQUOTE ==

Whaley testified he didn't update the manifest religiously. He sometimes 
took several trips and only went back and filled out the log book as he 
had free time, not as each ride occurred, and they were only estimates of 
the time.

== QUOTE ==
Mr. WHALEY. I thought maybe you might need it. You look down there it says Greyhound, 500 North Beckley, I think it is marked 12:30 to 12:45. Now that could have been 10 minutes off in each direction because I didn't use a watch, I just guess, in other words, all my trips are marked about 15 minutes each.
Mr. BALL. I am going to let you use this manifest to refresh your memory, Mr. Whaley. I have seen it. I am going to ask you some questions and you refresh your memory if you will from the manifest.
First of all, describe the document you are using, what is that?
Mr. WHALEY. It is a trip sheet manifest. The company gets the amount of money you have run, your meter reading and all, and they have to keep it because of the city ordinance requirement that the taxis make this kind of manifest.
Mr. BALL. Tell me when you make the entries, you make the entries when?
Mr. WHALEY. Sometimes I make them right after I make the trips, sir, and sometimes I make three or four trips before I make the entries.
== UNQUOTE ==

Here's his log:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0495b.htm