Re: Question for John McAdams

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 10:41:31 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 2:51:18 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: 
> > On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:19:14 AM UTC-5, ajohnstone wrote: 
> > > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapolis-city-council-unanimously-votes-to-replace-police-with-community-led-model/?sh=736afcf71a52 
> > > 
> > > Changing the manner in which a police department by replacing it with 
> > > another law enforcement agency is not abolishing it. It is a reform. 
> > > 
> > I can't wait until this "Community Safety Work Group" confronts some armed 
> > gang bangers. 
> > > It is not without precedent. 
> > > 
> > > Camden, New Jersey, disbanded its police department and replaced it with a 
> > > new force. Camden went about reforming their police. In short, they fired 
> > > everyone, dissolved the police union, expanded the police force with 
> > > stricter hiring criteria, and rewrote the new department’s use of 
> > > force policy. The net result was lower rates of crime and lower rates of 
> > > civilian complaints about police behavior. 
> > > 
> > I would be willing to bet this was done during a time crime rates were 
> > dropping all over the country which would make Camden's lower crime rate 
> > meaningless.
> I think you would be wise to be skeptical of this (as with any narrative 
> a leftist tries to sell). I`ve been looking at various sources of 
> information about crime in Camden, I hope you don`t mind me taking this 
> opportunity in your post to present them. 
> 
> First, a few thoughts. They keep using 2012 as the start date for this 
> program, even though it wasn`t implemented until 2013. The reason for this 
> is because there were 67 murders in 2012 and 57 murders in 2013. You can 
> see why they want to use the 2012 figures to show improvement. Another 
> thing to consider is that with murders in cities with high drug crime, the 
> murder rate is a function of whether the person who was being shot at was 
> fatally hit. You can have more shootings, just less hitting. 
> 
> Another thing being touted is the 'lower rates of civilian complaints", 
> which could easily be the result of police cams, which weren`t used 
> widespread 8 years ago. They likely have two effects, they make the cop 
> behave as his actions are filmed and also the civilian can`t lie about 
> what a cop did when the encounter is filmed, so they don`t bother making a 
> complaint. 
> 
> That bit of critical thinking aside, here are some facts and data 
> (mostly showing the claims that Camden has a lower crime rate to be a 
> lie)... 
> 
> https://www.policearrests.com/new-jersey-arrest-records/camden/ 
> 
> These charts (from 2016) tell a different story. And note *zero* arrests 
> for murder in 2016. 
> 
> In 2014, Camden was the most dangerous city in the country... 
> 
> https://money.cnn.com/gallery/real_estate/2014/02/03/dangerous-cities/index.html 
> 
> And still today is the most dangerous city in New Jersey... 
> 
> https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-dangerous-cities-in-new-jersey/ 
> 
> And ninth in the country... 
> 
> https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous 
> 
> Only a leftist would try to present this as some sort of success story.

It's a prime example of the old adage that figures don't lie but liars 
figure.