Re: Question for John McAdams

On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 2:01:56 PM UTC+1, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-6, ajohnstone wrote: 
> > Loathe as i am about entering a one-to-one debate but i just have to 
> > mention the disingenuous use of polls by John McAdams where he 
> > cherry-picked one statistic to misrepresent its findings. 
> > >>>You mean like defunding the police? A majority of blacks oppose that: 
> > 
> > >>> https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx 
> > The Gallop poll did not ask a question about defunding the police. 
> > 
> > The Right like to misinterpret defund the police to mean disband and 
> > dismantle. Not even BLM advocate such. 
> > 
> > Indeed previous polls show only 22% of Black Americans favor abolishing 
> > police departments. However, the vast majority believe reform is needed, 
> > with upward of 90% favoring specific reforms aimed at improving police 
> > relations with the communities they serve and preventing or punishing 
> > abusive police behavior. 
> > 
> > BLM supporters suggest that city and State financing for law and order is 
> > overly generous (much like military and defense spending, i might add) and 
> > that takes much needed local budget allocation away from the many social 
> > support services which also contribute to lower crime levels. 
> > 
> > Defund simply means reducing and redistributing police department budgets.
> Baloney. In Minneapolis, where I live, the City Council UNANIMOUSLY voted 
> to DISBAND the police department. 
> 
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapolis-city-council-unanimously-votes-to-replace-police-with-community-led-model/?sh=736afcf71a52 
> 
> 
> The Minneapolis City Council President even claimed that fears of 
> DISBANDING the police came from a "place of privilege," and of course, she 
> meant White privilege, the all-encompassing boogeyman: 
> 
> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-president-claims-fear-of-dismantling-police-comes-from-a-place-of-privilege/ 
> 
> Of course, this is batshit crazy and the Communists that run the city 
> government here have had to walk back their idiocy. 
> 
> Regardless, with the manpower reduction in the Minneapolis police 
> department, the crime rate in Minneapolis has skyrocketed this past year, 
> and the victims are predominately black. Thanks, Woke Supremacists. 
> 
> https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-violent-crimes-soared-in-2020-amid-pandemic-protests/600019989/
> > It's estimated that over $115 billion is spent on policing nationwide
> We need to spend more.
> > every year. In 2019, NYC allocated $6 billion to its police department 
> > — a budget that exceeded more than that of the health department, 
> > homeless services, youth and community development, and workforce 
> > development combined.
> Spend more.
> In Minneapolis, 35 percent of the city budget is 
> > for police.
> Spend more.
> Oakland, Calif. $242.5 million policing costs. over 40% of the 
> > total city's spending.
> Spend more.
> > 
> > The evidence that promoting community support services reduces crime is 
> > set out in this analysis 
> > 
> > https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/VThwp5JSFz7eNKF5GkxW/full 
> > 
> > The very same poll you quote also reflects the lack of trust in the 
> > policing of African American communities. 
> > 
> > "...Fewer than one in five Black Americans feel very confident that the 
> > police in their area would treat them with courtesy and respect [compared 
> > to over half of white Americans]...When factoring in those who are at 
> > least somewhat confident that the police would treat them well, a majority 
> > of Black Americans (61%) are generally confident, but this is still below 
> > ...91% of White Americans..." 
> > 
> > That is one big gap.
> Then stop teaching black kids in school to distrust the police. Stop 
> promoting welfare programs that reward fatherless homes. Stop teaching 
> kids here that they live in the most racist society in history, when they 
> live in the EXACT opposite. Stop trying to raise the minimum wage which 
> cuts out inner city teens from job opportunities and kills entry level 
> jobs.
> > 
> > You also omit to mention a conclusion drawn from the poll you cite. 
> > 
> > "...Most Black Americans want the police to spend at least as much time in 
> > their area as they currently do, indicating that they value the need for 
> > the service that police provide. However, that exposure comes with more 
> > *trepidation*..."
> Sure. The out-of-control ascendant Woke Supremacists that peddle their own 
> dangerous brand of bigotry TEACH kids to hate (All Whites are Racist!) and 
> teach that they have no chance of succeeding in a country where the deck 
> is stacked against them. Leftism is such a cesspit of bitter hatred.
> > 
> > If the US Right wishes to be satisfied with the status quo and rest upon 
> > its laurels when it comes to law and order, it will be another sign of a 
> > gradual drift to becoming a failed state. Nobody wishes that to happen.
> We need more police. They need more training. We need to sweep the streets 
> clean of the scummy homeless camps and needles and human feces and garbage 
> and filth that liberals promote in the name of tolerance. Woke 
> Supremacists wreck the quality of life for the vast majority of people of 
> all colors who want safe streets.

Fwiw - I strongly support every argument you so diligently have brought 
forward in this posting.