Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually
donald willis <[email protected]> 19 Mar 2021 01:00:17 -0000
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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:28:24 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: > On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:11:48 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: > > > On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:10:33 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:58:42 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:45:58 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 9:18:05 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 6:58:20 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:29:23 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:13:24 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shells were SAID to have been found "some distance away". Don't think > > > > > > > > > > > they really were.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were said to have been found some distance away because the were > > > > > > > > > > found some distance away. You have no evidence to the contrary. You just > > > > > > > > > > invented this cockamamie story out of thin air. > > > > > > > > > The "thin air" of Commission testimony. At least 8 times, Virginia Davis > > > > > > > > > testified that they called the cops, THEN saw the man with the gun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pure nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pure Commission testimony. At least I assume you're saying that V. Davis' > > > > > > > insistence that they called the cops first is the "nonsense", pure or not. > > > > > > > At least 8 times! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. Now you heard the shots. You heard, you say, the second shot > > > > > > > > and then what did you do? > > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We was already up. We ran to the door. > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. By we, who do you mean? > > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Jeanette and I. > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. You went to which door? > > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. The front door. > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. That would be the front of the house facing East 10th Street? > > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got to the door? > > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Mrs. Markham was standing at the tree. > > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. If we can picture the street intersection, was she standing > > > > > > > > in the middle of the street or on the sidewalk? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They went to the door first. They would have no reason to call the cops > > > > > > > > until they went to the door and saw and heard Markham screaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk to Virginia D. re "reason".... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quoted WC testimony to support my contention. It's a shame you can't do > > > > > > the same. > > > > > You didn't quote the 7 or 8 times that Virginia Davis testified that the > > > > > Davises called the cops BEFORE they saw the suspect! I can do that if > > > > > you don't believe me.... > > > > > > > > > Why don't you do that? > > > Don? Did you forget again? > > Your wish is my command: > > > > Okay, here are Virginia Davis's multiple takes on the chronology of the > > phone call, suspect sighting: > > "Mrs. DAVIS. When Mrs. Markham was standing across the street hollering, > > she told us to call the police, so Jeanette and I went in there, and > > Jeanette called > > the police and we went back and he was cutting across our yard, and we gave > > him time to go on because we were afraid he might shoot us." (v6p458) > > So that's #1: make phone call, THEN spot suspect. > > > > "Mr. BELIN. Did you call the police before or after you saw him cut across > > your yard? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Before." (p458) > > #2: again, call then witness > > > > "Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just went out, because we had already called the > > police, > > notified them, and we went out in the yard." (p460) > > #3: again, call then witness > > > > "Mr. BELIN. You notified the police. Let me ask you this. Did you notify > > the police before or after you saw the boy with the gun? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Let’s see, I think it was before." (p460) > > #4: again, call first > > > > "Mr. BELIN. When you say before, what do you mean? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, before we saw the boy." (p460) > > #5: again, call first > > > > "Mr. BELIN. Before you saw the boy you notified the police? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir." (p460) > > #6: called cops first > > > > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. > > You heard the shots? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. > > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? > > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there > > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the > > street calling. > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the > > house. > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. > > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? > > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. (pp460-461) > > #7: call first, suspect 2nd > > > > "Mr. BELIN. Now, Mrs. Davis, on this statement, Virginia Davis Deposition > > Exhibit 2, it states that “We heard a shot and then another shot and ran to > > side door at Patton Street.” You say that should have been the front door? > > Mrs. DAVIS. That was supposed to be the front door. > > Mr. BELIN. You say, “I saw the boy cutting across our yard and he was > > unloading his gun. We walked outside and a woman was hollering, ‘he’s dead, > > he’s shot’.” “This woman told Jeanette to call the police and she did.” > > Now according to this statement, you saw the man cutting across your yard > > before you called the police? > > Mrs. DAVIS: No, sir. > > Mr. BELIN. Now this statement is wrong, is that correct? > > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right." (p464) > > #8: "Wrong" is "right"! > > > > Mr. Belin. You called the police, and then you went back outside the house > > and saw the boy cutting across the yard? > > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right. > > Mr. BELIN. That is your statement now? > > Mr. BELIN. It is your testimony now, as I understand it, that you went back > > in the house and you called the police, and then you went back outside the house > > and saw the boy cutting across the yard? > > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right. > > Mr. BELIN. That is your statement now? > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes." (p464) > > #9: call first, witness 2nd > > > > So, nine times Virginia D testified that they called the cops, and then > > and only then saw the suspect. Either that's true, or she's such a > > confused witness that she cancels herself out. > > > Elsewhere in her testimony, she said they called the police after seeing > Oswald cut across here lawn. There is no doubt she was a confused witness > because she contradicted herself multiple times. It makes no sense that > they would have called the police before they went to the door and so the > shooter cutting across their lawn. What reason would they have had to call > the police until they saw what had happened. Do you think Tippit's killer > dawdled at the scene long enough for Jeanette Davis to call the police and > THEN the Davises went to the door and saw him. I imagine Belin was getting > exasperated with her conflicting testimony, first saying she saw the > suspect and then they called the police and later saying they called the > police and then saw the suspect. We can pretty much dismiss Virginia Davis > altogether because she obviously can't remember the order things happened > in. IOW, she was a complete ditz. And yet I bet you believe her lineup ID of Oswald.... Yes, a "complete ditz"