Re: Was. W.W. Scoggins the only witness at 10th and Patton who actually

donald willis <[email protected]> 19 Mar 2021 01:00:17 -0000
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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:28:24 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote:
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:11:48 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:10:33 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:58:42 AM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:45:58 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 9:18:05 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 6:58:20 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 8:29:23 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:13:24 PM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The shells were SAID to have been found "some distance away". Don't think 
> > > > > > > > > > > they really were.... 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > They were said to have been found some distance away because the were 
> > > > > > > > > > found some distance away. You have no evidence to the contrary. You just 
> > > > > > > > > > invented this cockamamie story out of thin air. 
> > > > > > > > > The "thin air" of Commission testimony. At least 8 times, Virginia Davis 
> > > > > > > > > testified that they called the cops, THEN saw the man with the gun. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Pure nonsense. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Pure Commission testimony. At least I assume you're saying that V. Davis' 
> > > > > > > insistence that they called the cops first is the "nonsense", pure or not. 
> > > > > > > At least 8 times! 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. Now you heard the shots. You heard, you say, the second shot 
> > > > > > > > and then what did you do? 
> > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We was already up. We ran to the door. 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. By we, who do you mean? 
> > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Jeanette and I. 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. You went to which door? 
> > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. The front door. 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. That would be the front of the house facing East 10th Street? 
> > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got to the door? 
> > > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Mrs. Markham was standing at the tree. 
> > > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. If we can picture the street intersection, was she standing 
> > > > > > > > in the middle of the street or on the sidewalk? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > They went to the door first. They would have no reason to call the cops 
> > > > > > > > until they went to the door and saw and heard Markham screaming. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Talk to Virginia D. re "reason".... 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > I quoted WC testimony to support my contention. It's a shame you can't do 
> > > > > > the same. 
> > > > > You didn't quote the 7 or 8 times that Virginia Davis testified that the 
> > > > > Davises called the cops BEFORE they saw the suspect! I can do that if 
> > > > > you don't believe me.... 
> > > > > 
> > > > Why don't you do that? 
> > > Don? Did you forget again? 
> > Your wish is my command: 
> > 
> > Okay, here are Virginia Davis's multiple takes on the chronology of the 
> > phone call, suspect sighting: 
> > "Mrs. DAVIS. When Mrs. Markham was standing across the street hollering, 
> > she told us to call the police, so Jeanette and I went in there, and 
> > Jeanette called 
> > the police and we went back and he was cutting across our yard, and we gave 
> > him time to go on because we were afraid he might shoot us." (v6p458) 
> > So that's #1: make phone call, THEN spot suspect. 
> > 
> > "Mr. BELIN. Did you call the police before or after you saw him cut across 
> > your yard? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Before." (p458) 
> > #2: again, call then witness 
> > 
> > "Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just went out, because we had already called the 
> > police, 
> > notified them, and we went out in the yard." (p460) 
> > #3: again, call then witness 
> > 
> > "Mr. BELIN. You notified the police. Let me ask you this. Did you notify 
> > the police before or after you saw the boy with the gun? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Let’s see, I think it was before." (p460) 
> > #4: again, call first 
> > 
> > "Mr. BELIN. When you say before, what do you mean? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, before we saw the boy." (p460) 
> > #5: again, call first 
> > 
> > "Mr. BELIN. Before you saw the boy you notified the police? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir." (p460) 
> > #6: called cops first 
> > 
> > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. 
> > You heard the shots? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? 
> > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there 
> > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the 
> > street calling. 
> > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > house. 
> > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. 
> > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. 
> > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. (pp460-461) 
> > #7: call first, suspect 2nd 
> > 
> > "Mr. BELIN. Now, Mrs. Davis, on this statement, Virginia Davis Deposition 
> > Exhibit 2, it states that “We heard a shot and then another shot and ran to 
> > side door at Patton Street.” You say that should have been the front door? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. That was supposed to be the front door. 
> > Mr. BELIN. You say, “I saw the boy cutting across our yard and he was 
> > unloading his gun. We walked outside and a woman was hollering, ‘he’s dead, 
> > he’s shot’.” “This woman told Jeanette to call the police and she did.” 
> > Now according to this statement, you saw the man cutting across your yard 
> > before you called the police? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS: No, sir. 
> > Mr. BELIN. Now this statement is wrong, is that correct? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right." (p464) 
> > #8: "Wrong" is "right"! 
> > 
> > Mr. Belin. You called the police, and then you went back outside the house 
> > and saw the boy cutting across the yard? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right. 
> > Mr. BELIN. That is your statement now? 
> > Mr. BELIN. It is your testimony now, as I understand it, that you went back 
> > in the house and you called the police, and then you went back outside the house 
> > and saw the boy cutting across the yard? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. That’s right. 
> > Mr. BELIN. That is your statement now? 
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes." (p464) 
> > #9: call first, witness 2nd 
> > 
> > So, nine times Virginia D testified that they called the cops, and then 
> > and only then saw the suspect. Either that's true, or she's such a 
> > confused witness that she cancels herself out. 
> >
> Elsewhere in her testimony, she said they called the police after seeing 
> Oswald cut across here lawn. There is no doubt she was a confused witness 
> because she contradicted herself multiple times. It makes no sense that 
> they would have called the police before they went to the door and so the 
> shooter cutting across their lawn. What reason would they have had to call 
> the police until they saw what had happened. Do you think Tippit's killer 
> dawdled at the scene long enough for Jeanette Davis to call the police and 
> THEN the Davises went to the door and saw him. I imagine Belin was getting 
> exasperated with her conflicting testimony, first saying she saw the 
> suspect and then they called the police and later saying they called the 
> police and then saw the suspect. We can pretty much dismiss Virginia Davis 
> altogether because she obviously can't remember the order things happened 
> in. IOW, she was a complete ditz.

And yet I bet you believe her lineup ID of Oswald.... Yes, a "complete 
ditz"