Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 6:27:01 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-7, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 8:37:30 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:11:26 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > Speaking of the Davises.... A few curiosities: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Barbara D testified that a "man was coming across the yard.... First off 
> > > > > [Mrs. Markham] went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to 
> > > > > him, and pointing at him...." (v3p343) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > While Mrs. M herself testified, "He cut across Patton St. like this. 
> > > > > Toward Jefferson. Then he was still in sight WHEN I BEGAN TO SCREAM AND 
> > > > > HOLLER...." (v3) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If Mrs. M is correct re the point at which she began to scream, then 
> > > > > Barbara D couldn't have seen the suspect while Mrs M was screaming and he 
> > > > > was still in the front yard. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Another curiosity: Barbara D charts (on CE 534) the path that she says 
> > > > > that the suspect took across the front yard. Note that that path comes 
> > > > > nowhere near the intersection of 10th & Patton. While Mrs. M is famous 
> > > > > for her kitty-korner confrontation with him while he's standing at the 
> > > > > opposite corner of the intersection. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Virginia D., possibly, reconciles Barbara D & Helen M in her own 
> > > > > testimony: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. 
> > > > > You heard the shots? 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > > > > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? 
> > > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there 
> > > > > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the 
> > > > > street calling. 
> > > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > > house. 
> > > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the 
> > > > > police. (v6p460) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If we stop right there, Virginia D's testimony makes sense here. She and 
> > > > > Barbara D hear Mrs M telling them to "call the police". And they proceed 
> > > > > to do just that. No mention of Mrs M screaming yet, and no sighting of 
> > > > > the suspect in the yard. She just says to call the police. They do that. 
> > > > > However, Virginia D continues, disastrously: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > > house. 
> > > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. 
> > > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > 460 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. 
> > > > > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This v e r y s l o w moving suspect is still in sight AFTER the Davises 
> > > > > call the cops!? That's where Virginia D's testimony goes off the rails 
> > > > > here. Up to that point, she seems to reconcile her testimony with Mrs 
> > > > > M's. Then she has the "boy" still in sight and, for some reason, "cutting 
> > > > > across the street". (This is the only time that either Davis says that 
> > > > > they saw the suspect cross a street.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But until this incredible coda, Virginia D paints a believable picture of 
> > > > > the shooting scene: The Davises see and hear Mrs M telling them to call 
> > > > > the police, and they do. Mrs M then picks up the story as the suspect is 
> > > > > running up Patton, and THEN she starts screaming. Again, believable: 
> > > > > She doesn't call attention to herself with screaming until he's trotting 
> > > > > off AWAY from her. 
> > > > > 
> > > > Right, Don. Everybody made all this stuff up just to frame poor little Lee 
> > > > Harvey Oswald. The cops. The witnesses. The bus driver. The cab driver. 
> > > > 
> > > > Did you ever consider the possibility that the reason the eyewitness 
> > > > testimony and the physical evidence points to Oswald is because Oswald was 
> > > > the one who killed Tippit? 
> > > They got the right guy for the JFK shooting. Wrong guy for the Tippit 
> > > shooting. 
> > > 
> > > dcw 
> > Don, 
> > 
> > Since you admit they got the right guy for the JFK assassination, perhaps 
> > you can delve into the motivation of everyone to frame Oswald for the 
> > Tippit shooting and let the real cop killer get away? 
> > 
> > Why would they bother?
> As the widow of Deputy Sheriff Jack Faulkner told me over the phone, 20 or 
> so years ago, If Oswald killed the nice patrolman, it follows that he shot 
> JFK, too. The Tippit shooting made it personal--scads of witnesses, on 
> the same (ground) level, in the same neighborhood. Five floors up, there 
> was reason to doubt any witness's ID from the street. 
> 

The case against Oswald in the assassination of JFK could easily have been 
made without any witnesses identifying him. The forensic evidence alone 
left no reasonable doubt he was the assassin. There was no need for 
anybody to frame him for the Tippit murder. In that case we had both ample 
eyewitness testimony and compelling forensic evidence.