Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:27:13 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 5:25:26 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:11:26 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > Speaking of the Davises.... A few curiosities: 
> > > > 
> > > > Barbara D testified that a "man was coming across the yard.... First off 
> > > > [Mrs. Markham] went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to 
> > > > him, and pointing at him...." (v3p343) 
> > > > 
> > > > While Mrs. M herself testified, "He cut across Patton St. like this. 
> > > > Toward Jefferson. Then he was still in sight WHEN I BEGAN TO SCREAM AND 
> > > > HOLLER...." (v3) 
> > > > 
> > > > If Mrs. M is correct re the point at which she began to scream, then 
> > > > Barbara D couldn't have seen the suspect while Mrs M was screaming and he 
> > > > was still in the front yard. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another curiosity: Barbara D charts (on CE 534) the path that she says 
> > > > that the suspect took across the front yard. Note that that path comes 
> > > > nowhere near the intersection of 10th & Patton. While Mrs. M is famous 
> > > > for her kitty-korner confrontation with him while he's standing at the 
> > > > opposite corner of the intersection. 
> > > > 
> > > > Virginia D., possibly, reconciles Barbara D & Helen M in her own 
> > > > testimony: 
> > > > 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. 
> > > > You heard the shots? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there 
> > > > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the 
> > > > street calling. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > house. 
> > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the 
> > > > police. (v6p460) 
> > > > 
> > > > If we stop right there, Virginia D's testimony makes sense here. She and 
> > > > Barbara D hear Mrs M telling them to "call the police". And they proceed 
> > > > to do just that. No mention of Mrs M screaming yet, and no sighting of 
> > > > the suspect in the yard. She just says to call the police. They do that. 
> > > > However, Virginia D continues, disastrously: 
> > > > 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > house. 
> > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > 460 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. 
> > > > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. 
> > > > 
> > > > This v e r y s l o w moving suspect is still in sight AFTER the Davises 
> > > > call the cops!? That's where Virginia D's testimony goes off the rails 
> > > > here. Up to that point, she seems to reconcile her testimony with Mrs 
> > > > M's. Then she has the "boy" still in sight and, for some reason, "cutting 
> > > > across the street". (This is the only time that either Davis says that 
> > > > they saw the suspect cross a street.) 
> > > > 
> > > > But until this incredible coda, Virginia D paints a believable picture of 
> > > > the shooting scene: The Davises see and hear Mrs M telling them to call 
> > > > the police, and they do. Mrs M then picks up the story as the suspect is 
> > > > running up Patton, and THEN she starts screaming. Again, believable: 
> > > > She doesn't call attention to herself with screaming until he's trotting 
> > > > off AWAY from her. 
> > > > 
> > > Right, Don. Everybody made all this stuff up just to frame poor little Lee 
> > > Harvey Oswald. 
> > I just realized. In my post, I did not say that the witnesses--Virginia D 
> > & Mrs. Markham--were "making up stuff". I accept their joint story. 
> > What you write here does not apply to what I wrote here. It's you who has 
> > to reject the story! 
> >
> I have to reject Virginia Davis' testimony

Okay.  Then let's go with just one Davis, Barbara D, who in her affidavit 
said she found a shell in the front yard, then, in her testimony, said 
that she found it in the side yard.  "It".  Just realized--we don't know 
which Davis (supposedly) found which shell in the side yard.  Maybe it 
doesn't matter.  Let's amend that statement:  Barbara D. testified that 
she found "a" shell in the side yard.

 because she said during the 
> same testimony that Jeanette called the police before they went to the 
> door and also that she called the police after they went to the door. Both 
> of those things cannot be true. She also said they went to the side door 
> before testifying they went to the front door. Since she was sixteen and 
> married, I doubt she had been living for very long in that apartment and 
> maybe didn't know which was the front door and which was the side door. 

She did say something like "side door on Patton".  She'd know which street 
was which.

> It's clear she was confused about some very basic facts which makes it 
> amazing that you would find significance in anything she said. 

We also have to kind of discount Guinyard's testimony that he saw the 
suspect knocking shells out of the gun in the side yard, since he didn't 
follow up on that.  We also have to question Benavides' testimony to the 
effect that he saw the suspect tossing a shell down here, a shell there, 
in the front yard.  Why didn't the Davises see that?  Barbara D should 
have said that she saw the guy tossing down *two shells" in the front 
yard.  Shells that Benavides testified that he picked up.  But by the time 
of her testimony, it's *no* shells dropped in the front yard.  (That she 
said she saw.)

> 
> If one is truly searching for the truth, one looks for the best evidence 
> available to lead him to it. Your approach is to follow the anomalies that 
> don't fit with anything else.

Like those four anomalists who said the Dealey shooter's window was open 
all the way.  Here, the anomalist is actually the one witness, Euins, who 
said the window was halfway open.

dcw