Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:27:13 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 5:25:26 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:11:26 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > Speaking of the Davises.... A few curiosities: 
> > > > 
> > > > Barbara D testified that a "man was coming across the yard.... First off 
> > > > [Mrs. Markham] went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to 
> > > > him, and pointing at him...." (v3p343) 
> > > > 
> > > > While Mrs. M herself testified, "He cut across Patton St. like this. 
> > > > Toward Jefferson. Then he was still in sight WHEN I BEGAN TO SCREAM AND 
> > > > HOLLER...." (v3) 
> > > > 
> > > > If Mrs. M is correct re the point at which she began to scream, then 
> > > > Barbara D couldn't have seen the suspect while Mrs M was screaming and he 
> > > > was still in the front yard. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another curiosity: Barbara D charts (on CE 534) the path that she says 
> > > > that the suspect took across the front yard. Note that that path comes 
> > > > nowhere near the intersection of 10th & Patton. While Mrs. M is famous 
> > > > for her kitty-korner confrontation with him while he's standing at the 
> > > > opposite corner of the intersection. 
> > > > 
> > > > Virginia D., possibly, reconciles Barbara D & Helen M in her own 
> > > > testimony: 
> > > > 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. 
> > > > You heard the shots? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there 
> > > > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the 
> > > > street calling. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > house. 
> > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the 
> > > > police. (v6p460) 
> > > > 
> > > > If we stop right there, Virginia D's testimony makes sense here. She and 
> > > > Barbara D hear Mrs M telling them to "call the police". And they proceed 
> > > > to do just that. No mention of Mrs M screaming yet, and no sighting of 
> > > > the suspect in the yard. She just says to call the police. They do that. 
> > > > However, Virginia D continues, disastrously: 
> > > > 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > house. 
> > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. 
> > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > 460 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. 
> > > > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. 
> > > > 
> > > > This v e r y s l o w moving suspect is still in sight AFTER the Davises 
> > > > call the cops!? That's where Virginia D's testimony goes off the rails 
> > > > here. Up to that point, she seems to reconcile her testimony with Mrs 
> > > > M's. Then she has the "boy" still in sight and, for some reason, "cutting 
> > > > across the street". (This is the only time that either Davis says that 
> > > > they saw the suspect cross a street.) 
> > > > 
> > > > But until this incredible coda, Virginia D paints a believable picture of 
> > > > the shooting scene: The Davises see and hear Mrs M telling them to call 
> > > > the police, and they do. Mrs M then picks up the story as the suspect is 
> > > > running up Patton, and THEN she starts screaming. Again, believable: 
> > > > She doesn't call attention to herself with screaming until he's trotting 
> > > > off AWAY from her. 
> > > > 
> > > Right, Don. Everybody made all this stuff up just to frame poor little Lee 
> > > Harvey Oswald. 
> > I just realized. In my post, I did not say that the witnesses--Virginia D 
> > & Mrs. Markham--were "making up stuff". I accept their joint story. 
> > What you write here does not apply to what I wrote here. It's you who has 
> > to reject the story! 
> >
> I have to reject Virginia Davis' testimony because she said during the 
> same testimony that Jeanette called the police before they went to the 
> door and also that she called the police after they went to the door. Both 
> of those things cannot be true. She also said they went to the side door 
> before testifying they went to the front door. Since she was sixteen and 
> married, I doubt she had been living for very long in that apartment and 
> maybe didn't know which was the front door and which was the side door. 
> It's clear she was confused about some very basic facts which makes it 
> amazing that you would find significance in anything she said. 

Good.  I'm glad *you* don't.  "Anything"?  Yes, it is amazing that she 
said that the suspect unloaded shells into his other hand.  
Insignificant....

dcw