Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 11:07:28 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 5:37:21 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:11:13 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:27:13 AM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 5:25:26 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:11:26 PM UTC-7, John Corbett wrote: 
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote: 
> > > > > > > Speaking of the Davises.... A few curiosities: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Barbara D testified that a "man was coming across the yard.... First off 
> > > > > > > [Mrs. Markham] went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to 
> > > > > > > him, and pointing at him...." (v3p343) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > While Mrs. M herself testified, "He cut across Patton St. like this. 
> > > > > > > Toward Jefferson. Then he was still in sight WHEN I BEGAN TO SCREAM AND 
> > > > > > > HOLLER...." (v3) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If Mrs. M is correct re the point at which she began to scream, then 
> > > > > > > Barbara D couldn't have seen the suspect while Mrs M was screaming and he 
> > > > > > > was still in the front yard. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Another curiosity: Barbara D charts (on CE 534) the path that she says 
> > > > > > > that the suspect took across the front yard. Note that that path comes 
> > > > > > > nowhere near the intersection of 10th & Patton. While Mrs. M is famous 
> > > > > > > for her kitty-korner confrontation with him while he's standing at the 
> > > > > > > opposite corner of the intersection. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Virginia D., possibly, reconciles Barbara D & Helen M in her own 
> > > > > > > testimony: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. 
> > > > > > > You heard the shots? 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. 
> > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? 
> > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there 
> > > > > > > and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the 
> > > > > > > street calling. 
> > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > > > > house. 
> > > > > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the 
> > > > > > > police. (v6p460) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If we stop right there, Virginia D's testimony makes sense here. She and 
> > > > > > > Barbara D hear Mrs M telling them to "call the police". And they proceed 
> > > > > > > to do just that. No mention of Mrs M screaming yet, and no sighting of 
> > > > > > > the suspect in the yard. She just says to call the police. They do that. 
> > > > > > > However, Virginia D continues, disastrously: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the 
> > > > > > > house. 
> > > > > > > We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. 
> > > > > > > Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > > > 460 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. 
> > > > > > > Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did you do? 
> > > > > > > Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This v e r y s l o w moving suspect is still in sight AFTER the Davises 
> > > > > > > call the cops!? That's where Virginia D's testimony goes off the rails 
> > > > > > > here. Up to that point, she seems to reconcile her testimony with Mrs 
> > > > > > > M's. Then she has the "boy" still in sight and, for some reason, "cutting 
> > > > > > > across the street". (This is the only time that either Davis says that 
> > > > > > > they saw the suspect cross a street.) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But until this incredible coda, Virginia D paints a believable picture of 
> > > > > > > the shooting scene: The Davises see and hear Mrs M telling them to call 
> > > > > > > the police, and they do. Mrs M then picks up the story as the suspect is 
> > > > > > > running up Patton, and THEN she starts screaming. Again, believable: 
> > > > > > > She doesn't call attention to herself with screaming until he's trotting 
> > > > > > > off AWAY from her. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > Right, Don. Everybody made all this stuff up just to frame poor little Lee 
> > > > > > Harvey Oswald. 
> > > > > I just realized. In my post, I did not say that the witnesses--Virginia D 
> > > > > & Mrs. Markham--were "making up stuff". I accept their joint story. 
> > > > > What you write here does not apply to what I wrote here. It's you who has 
> > > > > to reject the story! 
> > > > > 
> > > > I have to reject Virginia Davis' testimony because she said during the 
> > > > same testimony that Jeanette called the police before they went to the 
> > > > door and also that she called the police after they went to the door. Both 
> > > > of those things cannot be true. She also said they went to the side door 
> > > > before testifying they went to the front door. Since she was sixteen and 
> > > > married, I doubt she had been living for very long in that apartment and 
> > > > maybe didn't know which was the front door and which was the side door. 
> > > > It's clear she was confused about some very basic facts which makes it 
> > > > amazing that you would find significance in anything she said. 
> > > Good. I'm glad *you* don't. "Anything"? Yes, it is amazing that she 
> > > said that the suspect unloaded shells into his other hand. 
> > > Insignificant.... 
> > > 
> > I can't imagine anything less significant than the means by which Oswald 
> > ejected the shells from the revolver. Whether he did it with gravity, 
> > shaking the gun, or using the ejector rod, the shells came out of his gun 
> > and ended up on the ground. If people saw the same action but got 
> > different impressions as to just how Oswald ejected the shells, what the 
> > hell difference does that make?
> Are you pretending not to understand what I'm saying?

I'm not pretending. I really don't understand what you are saying? I 
rarely do.

> The operative phrase, above, is "into his other hand". It's the key to 
> the Davis's amazing tale....

It seems to be a rather unimportant detail. Why does it matter if Oswald 
dumped the shells into his hand and tossed them away or simply dumped them 
on the ground? He discarded them so he could reload.