Re: Glenn V. Fell for Lies About Georgia Voting Law

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:09:11 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 10:03:14 AM UTC-4, Glenn V. wrote: 
> > It's Glenn's way or the highway, Bud. Glenn (from Sweden? Am I right about 
> > > that?) apparently has this messy democracy thingy figured out, Bud, and 
> > > guess what? Your views are out with Glenn. You don't care about democracy, 
> > > Glenn does. Off to the reeducation camp for Bud, forced to read Max Boot 
> > > books for 25 years. 
> > > 
> > > *IF* the 2020 election WAS crooked in some way, it's the Glenns of the 
> > > world--who care about democracy more than you or I--who threw it. They had 
> > > to burn down the village to save it. 
> > Amazing how deliberate BS always pops up when authoritarians show their 
> > ugly faces. 
> > 
> > Max Boot, eh? Do you want me to quote another hundred, mostly very 
> > prominent ex-GOP members? Strategists, authors, ex-elected state/US 
> > officials, etc., everyone of them. Maybe 500? How about David Frum? Stuart 
> > Stevens? Mike Madrid? Bill Kristol? Tim Miller? Colin Powell? Liz Cheney? 
> > Charlie Sykes? Jennifer Horn? George Conway? Amanda Carpenter? John 
> > Boehner? 
> > 
> > Want more? 
> > 
> > Simply "elitists"? Or just leftist idiots? The ones most republicans have 
> > supported/agreed with, probably all their lives? No, that's right, I 
> > wouldn't think so. 
> > 
> > So quit your pathetic BS about "the foreigner" who has it all figured out. 
> > Or about the "leftists". True conservatives, in droves, would all sign off 
> > on every stand on this that I've taken in these threads.
> That is one of the things I like best about Trump, he shakes up the 
> status quo. Nobody called out the fake news before he came along, both 
> sides played the game. Too many people were locked into their comfort 
> zones, not making waves about things that should be addressed.

Absolutely. That is what attracted me to Trump as well as lots of 
Republican rank and file voters. Before Trump, when the mainstream media 
went on the attack, Republican "leaders" would got into defensive mode. 
Not Trump. You hit him, he hits back with no apologies. It's looking like 
we have another fighter in Ron DeSantis. The media is already going into 
attack mode on him as evidence by 60 Minutes shameful and deceitful hit 
piece. That one has blown up in their faces. Now they are the ones on the 
defensive. Most of the mainstream media are scum. There's no point in 
trying to please them.

> > Americans. They 
> > understand that this is not about the usual party politics quibble. You 
> > know, that simplistic way you want to make to be. The reason is crystal 
> > clear; like me and unlike you, they are true democrats who values (US) 
> > democracy above all else and they all see how dangerous Donald Trump with 
> > his Big Lie is to US democracy.
> The "Big Lie" is what you`ve been fed about Trump. It has been hammered 
> into you, and you don`t even realize it. Trump was taking on the 
> Industrial Military complex, he was talking about bring US troops home all 
> around the globe. *Only* an outsider like Trump could effect real change, 
> with real lasting results. What we have now is "Obama, The Sequel". The 
> swamp is back, the powers that be are safe and secure once more.
> > Your ridiculous cheap shot's don't work here, because I will not take no 
> > BS from you or anyone else about this. Discuss the facts, fine with me. 
> > 
> > So, 
> > 
> > ***The 2020 election was not crooked. Not stolen. No fraud and no 
> > irregularities.***
> Then was does the idea of voter ID get their panties in a bunch?
> > You should stop watching all these rightwing news outlets and talking 
> > heads who are still spreading this *LIE* to get higher numbers. A 
> > disgusting business model, btw. Someone here talked about "millions of 
> > Americans" believe the Big Lie.. Sure, they are fed lies upon lies upon 
> > lies about this. Every hour around the clock. A garden variety of selected 
> > home cooked geniuses are displayed to confirm the lies. It's called brain 
> > washing.
> The mainstream media has conducted a negative campaign against Trump for 
> over 5 years. You are the one who has been brain washed, believing what 
> they told you to believe about Trump. They spent 8 years telling everyone 
> that Obama was a great President, and the brain washed masses believe it.

And they continue to believe the crap about the Georgia election laws 
disenfranchising black people. Nobody is getting disenfranchised. White 
people have to follow the same rules as black people.

> > Because it is just that - A LIE. The BIG LIE. 
> > 
> > I asked John to provide *evidence* about foul play in the election.
> The evidence is that they oppose documented identification to vote.
> >He 
> > didn't. Neither will or can you. And neither can those rightwing news 
> > outlets or those talking heads. Dominion is suing some of the worst 
> > perpetrators, more to come. One of Trump's lunatic lawyers tried to defend 
> > herself by stating that "no serious person would believe that I had any 
> > supporting facts to show". And she was partly correct, for the first time. 
> > No serious person ever did. And now she's sued and will pay the price. 
> > Let's see how Giuliani fares.
> You don`t seem to mind the lying Biden did about the Georgia voting bill.
> > John is a master at finding evidence as you well know. The reason he's not 
> > providing them about this is simple. There are *NONE* to be found. Zero. 
> > Zilch. I know that John, unlike the Trump lawyer, doesn't want to make a 
> > total fool of himself, silence is better. Nothing exists anywhere that 
> > supports Donald Trumps BIG LIE. Do you understand this? You disagree? 
> > Fine. And simple. Present the evidence and then maybe your postings are 
> > worth reading. I'll be waiting.
> They system has to have the trust of the people. To do that you have to 
> have documented ID to vote, it should be a basic requirement. That this 
> common sense measure is vehemently opposed shows me all I need to know.

Most people have a valid ID. If they don't have a driver's license, it's 
very easy to get a valid state ID card. I have no sympathy for those who 
can't be bothered to go get one.

> > Donald Trump is not "colorful", as John suggested. A transparent and poor 
> > excuse for a very, very disturbed human being, in my opinion. 
> > 
> > Donald Trump is an epic, pathological liar. +25.000 lies according to the 
> > WP, who kept track. Donald Trump's biggest lie is about an election he 
> > lost, fair and square. But Donald Trump never admits to anything. Never 
> > backs down. Never. He's bailed himself out of everything his entire life. 
> > His dad paid. Banks paid. Civilians have paid the price for him. Small 
> > companies paid. And illegal immigration workers paid. 
> > 
> > Women have paid the price, most notably his wife at the time Trump was 
> > running around with porn stars when she was at home with a four months old 
> > son of his. The entire US has no doubt paid for a lot of his (and his 
> > family's) grifting during his presidency. Now his followers are paying. 
> > And trying to bail him out. And he's grifting them too, of course. Had to 
> > pay them back 122 millions. More to come. Never held accountable. Instead 
> > he doubles down and keeps lying. 
> > 
> > Why would anyone excuse all of this?
> It is the meaningless rant of a Trump hater. 
> 
> But one thing I notice about the things in your rant, not one thing you 
> mentioned is something he did with his powers as President. I can`t think 
> of a single thing that Trump did as President that I disagreed with (well, 
> one, when he came out for the $2,000 stimulus check rather than the $600 
> in the bill. And maybe he should have pardoned the "insurrectionists"). 
> But most of what he did as President were things I would have done if I 
> were President. And it doesn`t get any better than that with a elected 
> official. The Trump haters can manufacture reasons to dislike him all day 
> for all I care, when it came to Executive Action he gets straight "A"s 
> from me.

We have three justices on the Supreme Court that wouldn't be there if 
Hillary had been the one to appoint them. We would now have a 6-3 liberal 
majority on the Court instead of a 6-3 conservative majority (well 5.5-3.5 
since we can't count on Roberts).

> > Donald Trump's narcissistic personality disorder prevents him from 
> > understand the damage he's doing by lying about the "stolen election". And 
> > even worse damage is done by those who blindly chose to believe those 
> > lies, and spreading them on. And no, I don't hate Donald Trump. He is a 
> > tragic figure, most probably in dire need of psychological help, as Mary 
> > Trump (a psychologist, who moreover know him far better than his 
> > followers) and other psychologists have suggested. I feel sorry for Donald 
> > Trump.
> I feel sorry for this country for what has happened by not re-electing 
> Trump. I`m sure there are a lot of swing voters who went for Biden that 
> feel the same way. And those numbers will grow.

We need the Republican Senate to be obstructionists for two years and 
hopefully take back at least one house of Congress. I'm fine with divided 
government. It keeps the federal government from doing really stupid 
stuff.

> > And why would anyone excuse that the GOP, without a political platform, is 
> > now instead all about power - under Donald Trump, at any price?
> The "price" is an American President who puts the country`s interests 
> first.
> > As that is exactly what you are doing. Don't you try to blame me for 
> > anything that is getting burned down. You strongly owe that one.
> Leftist policy is to blame on that one.
> > The entire voter suppression question is, in the first place, based on 
> > Trump's BIG LIE. Disagree with him and he will flame you and you're gone, 
> > which certainly every elected local GOP official around the US is 
> > extremely well aware of. So what are they doing? Creating 360 bills about 
> > new voting laws, that's exactly what they are doing to please Donald 
> > Trump. Banana republic methods in its very ugly US version.
> Why does the requirement of valid ID to vote scare the left so much?
> > Agree with Trump about the "stolen election" and you are not supporting 
> > your democracy. This is the choice.
> There is a solution. Conduct elections where I can feel confidence that 
> the results were arrived at legitimately. This mean ID. 
> 
> > Shameful. 
> 
> Shameful that the left has to invent claims of racism in order to stop a 
> common sense measure like requiring ID to vote.