Re: Did the Davises see anyone (other than Mrs. Markham)?

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:
> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 5:38:11 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:=20
> > On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 9:49:47 AM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:=20
> > > On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 5:31:05 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:=20
> > > > On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 6:13:22 PM UTC-4, donald willis wrote:=
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> > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:11:28 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:=20
> > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:26:16 PM UTC-4, donald willis =
wrote:=20
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:03:11 PM UTC-7, Bud wrote:=20
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 3:40:29 PM UTC-4, donald willi=
s wrote:=20
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 5:14:15 PM UTC-7, John Corbet=
t wrote:=20
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, CUT=20
> > > > > > > > > > > Try again. You start with a false, or at best half-tr=
ue, premise:=20
> > > > > > > > > > > "Oswald dumped the shells in the bushes". Well, one s=
hell, supposedly.=20
> > > > > > > > > > > Quarter-true. And Benavides says another "by the bush=
". But the Davises=20
> > > > > > > > > > > testified that the two shells that THEY found were on=
 the side yard, under=20
> > > > > > > > > > > a window and near the side walkway. NOT in or near th=
ose bushes. And you=20
> > > > > > > > > > > accuse ME of cherry picking!=20
> > > > > > > > > > Now you are just nitpicking because you have nothing of=
 substance to=20
> > > > > > > > > > present. The important thing is that Oswald was seen du=
mping shells from=20
> > > > > > > > > > his revolver=20
> > > > > > > > > Like I said, LNs find it very hard to admit when they're =
wrong, as Corbett=20
> > > > > > > > > here was with his Oswald dumped all the shells in the bus=
hes. If he can't=20
> > > > > > > > > get the details right, it makes you wonder about his Big =
Picture....=20
> > > > > > > > The big picture is the shells being found in that area make=
s it=20
> > > > > > > > impossible that an automatic was used to kill Tippit.=20
> > > > > > > "That area"? What area?=20
> > > > > > That corner of the house.=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > That is why it is easy to determine a revolver and not an autom=
atic was=20
> > > > > > used. Has an automatic been used the shells would have been fou=
nd 40-50=20
> > > > > > feet away towards the front of Tippit`s patrol car.=20
> > > > > > >We were talking about shells the Davises found=20
> > > > > > > around the bushes.=20
> > > > > > Yes, the bushes are at that corner of the house. The bushes Sco=
ggins saw=20
> > > > > > Oswald come through.=20
> > > > > > > Or Corbett's 3/4 false "Oswald dumped the shells in the=20
> > > > > > > bushes".=20
> > > > > > That vicinity.=20
> > > > > The side of the house under the window & the grass near the side =
walkway=20
> > > > > are NOT in the vicinity of the bushes.=20
> > > > When Barbara Davis was asked where she saw Oswald emptying the gun,=
 she=20
> > > > said not quite to the bushes.=20
> > > That's not quite what she said.=20
> > It is exactly what she said.=20
> >=20
> > "Mr. BALL. In other words, there is a cross you make across the line=20
> > that he took which marks the place where he was emptying the gun.=20
> >=20
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Just about halfway there.=20
> >=20
> > Mr. BALL. Mark it also on 21, 534.=20
> >=20
> > Mrs. DAVIS. Not quite half, not quite to the bushes there."
> Okay, I misread that. Ball said "emptying". I was thinking "dropping=20
> shells on the ground". Barbara D did not testify that the suspect was=20
> "dropping" shells in the front yard.

  She didn`t say she physically saw shells fall, only the action of 
unloading. She found a shell near the area she saw him unloading, so the 
inference can be made. They weren`t found where they would have been had 
an automatic been used to kill Tippit so that idea is completely 
discredited.

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> > "...not quite to the bushes there"=20
> > >That was more counsel Ball than Barbara=20
> > > D.:=20
> > Stop making things up.=20
> > > Ball: "Did you later look in the bushes & find something??=20
> > > Davis: "Yes, IN THE GRASS BESIDE THE HOUSE."=20
> > That area is the side of the house.=20
> > > Note that, although she said, Yes, she did not even use the word "bus=
hes".=20
> > She had earlier.=20
> >=20
> > The bushes, the window and the grass beside the house are all the same=
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> > small area in that corner of the house.
> The window below which a shell was found was on the SIDE of the house.

  No. The area she is talking about is that side of the house from the 
front door. She marked which window.

  The problem is that there wasn`t a good photo of that area to work from. 
They said as much when questioning Barbara Davis...

 Mrs. DAVIS. I was standing on the porch.
 Mr. BALL. Put an "X" there.
 Mrs. DAVIS. I can't see the porch. The door is right between these two 
things here.
 Mr. BALL. These two things--what do you mean?
 Mrs. DAVIS. Between the two posts.
 Mr. BALL. Two posts?
 Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.
 Mr. BALL. Let's get a better view.
 Mr. DULLES. It seems to be the best.
 Mr. BALL. You are right.

> > https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3D11029#relPageId=3D34=
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> >=20
> > It is where she saw Oswald cut across the lawn while removing the spent=
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> > shells from his handgun. The reason he shells were empty is because the=
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> > slugs were in Tippit`s body. Perhaps if you spend a few more decades=20
> > studying this case you might be able to figure out the simple basic fac=
ts=20
> > about what occurred. I`m not optimistic, either in the time span or the=
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> > capability.=20
> > > Trust more in her "under the window", which window was not near the=
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> > > bushes.=20
> > She marked which window in the photo. It is the one that overlooks the=
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> > bushes.=20
> >
> I don't see that mark.=20

  Look again, it is in CE532...

   https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=3D1134#relPageId=3D260

  You see the car to the left? You see the rear windshield of that car? 
Look up from there. Another way to find it is there are 5 sets of posts 
holding up the porch roof, the arrow is between the second and third post.

  You can slide the view using the bar at the bottom. The line across the 
law is the route she saw Oswald walk, the x is where she saw him emptying 
the gun of the shells he killed Tippit with.

> dcw