Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene "likes" the Mossad-did-it Theory

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 4:43:01 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 7:38:19 PM UTC-5, John Corbett wrote: 
> 
> > > In some states, like mine (Tennessee), you have to apply for an absentee 
> > > ballot. That's kind of hassle too, by the way. You also have to provide a 
> > > reason why you feel the need to vote by mail. 
> 
> > Oh, horrors! Should I complain that it is a hassle that I have to register to vote? 
> > Why can't we just vote on the honor system?

> Voting and registering to vote are two different things. Hell, I can't 
> even remember when, where or how I registered to vote. 

The laws put very reasonable requirements on the voter both to register 
and to cast their votes. None of these requirements are the least bit 
difficult to comply with. Anyone who doesn't get their vote cast has no 
one to blame but themselves.

> 
> There are several times when I had voted absentee on the ASSUMPTION that I 
> would not be home during election day. I had no way of knowing my flying 
> schedule that far in advance. I gave as my reason that I would not be in 
> my state at the time of voting. But, on a few occasions, it turned out I 
> *was* home and I *could* have gone to the polls. Yet, I had already voted 
> absentee. Was that fraud?

Only if you voted again.

> > > They provide a list of the 
> > > only acceptable reasons. You cannot make up your own. The state gets to 
> > > decide what is a valid reason. Not having child care is not an option. No 
> > > transportation is not an option. 
> > > https://sos.tn.gov/products/elections/absentee-voting 
> > > 
> > If you don't fall into one those many categories on that list, there is no 
> > reason you shouldn't be able to get to the polling place either during the 
> > early voting period or on election day. I have zero sympathy for anyone 
> > who fails to get their vote cast.
> I don't think you can even relate to the life situation that many people 
> are in. You're probably not in that situation - have never been in that 
> situation - nor even know anybody in that situation. 

Explain a life situation that would prevent someone who wanted to vote 
from doing so.
> 
> Do you think the fact that we had one of the highest voter turnouts in 
> presidential voting history for the 2020 election - during a 100-yr 
> pandemic, no less - was a good or bad thing?

If illegally cast ballots were included in those record totals, it was very 
definitely a bad thing.

> If it were not for the 
> liberal use of absentee ballots, I don't think that would have happened.

Common sense should tell us that ballot harvesting is a bad idea. The 
practice of allowing representatives from a campaign to gather ballots
and turn them in is an invitation widespread fraud.
 
> And yet - there was no evidence of widespread fraud - 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We simply don't know if 
there was widespread fraud because the possibility exists that it could 
have been done without leaving evidence. If unsolicited ballots were 
stolen from mailboxes or campaign workers went around gathering ballots 
from people and telling them not to seal their envelopes, votes could 
easily have been cast by those campaign workers and there would be no 
evidence of fraud. The voter would have no way of knowing that their vote 
had been cast by somebody else. Boards of elections would have no way of 
knowing that either and in the Democrat strongholds, that certainly had no 
incentive to look for such evidence.

> and it's certainly 
> not for the lack of trying to find it. But, you think we have to clamp 
> down on voting regulations because - using your metaphor - it's like 
> insurance. 

Absolutely we should institute rules that make it harder to cheat and we
shouldn't wait until we know there was cheating. 

> 
> The reason I don't have flood insurance is because I don't live in a flood 
> zone. So, I'm not going to expend financial resources for an extremely 
> unlikely event. When you fly commercial, do you get addition "flight 
> insurance?" No! You don't because you know the probability that airliner 
> is going to crash is remote. 

If the airliner crashes, the insurance won't do me any good.

> Since 2010, there have been two fatalities on 
> major U.S. air carriers. There was a seven year stretch where there were 
> zero fatalities. Should all the airliners install shoulder harnesses in 
> each passenger seat (like the flight attendants wear) to increase safety? 
> This would be a huge expense to install in all airliners. It would be a 
> "solution" that addresses a problem that doesn't exist.

Maybe we shouldn't require seatbelts either. You could use the same 
reasoning.

> > Are we supposed to believe that somebody who wants to vote can't figure 
> > out what they need to do to get their vote cast.
> In everything in life, every time there is an additional hoop to jump 
> through, there are always people who are either not willing to jump 
> through that hoop are don't even know that the hoop exists.

There are no hoops that need to be jumped through. Voting is very easy and 
there are several options available to the voter. In addition, the options 
are available equally to everyone regardless of their race or economic 
status which makes it ridiculous to claim these new laws impact black 
people more than white people.

> There more 
> hoops, the more people are left behind. Have you ever not mailed in a 
> rebate for a product you bought simply because it was a hassle? 

Yes and I didn't blame somebody else because I failed to do so.

> You 
> intended to - but you didn't. Maybe you didn't even know that the product 
> had a rebate. Have you ever forgot to take a coupon to the store for 
> something you intended to buy but you bought the product anyway? Or, maybe 
> you don't even use coupons because, sometimes, they can be a hassle. 

All those things would be because I failed to do what was required of me. I 
didn't blame the rules of my errors of omission. 

> 
> Obviously, not for you - but small obstacles do disenfranchise some 
> people. 

BULLSHIT. That doesn't even come close to disenfranchisement. 
Disenfranchising means denying someone the right to vote. Explain how 
these laws deny anyone the right to vote.

> The fact that you have no sympathy for these people - thinking 
> they're lazy - doesn't change the FACT that such people exist.

I know lazy people exist. I also know apathetic people exist. I also know 
irresponsible people exist.

My first opportunity to vote was in 1972 thanks to the 26th Amendment 
which had been passed the previous year. I didn't turn 21 until three 
weeks after the 1972 election day. I went to cast my vote in the primary 
the in May of that year. I showed up at the polling place at 7:15 thinking 
the polls closed at 7:30. I found at they had closed at 7:00. Whose fault 
was it that I didn't understand the voting hours. Was I disenfranchised 
because I failed to comply with the very reasonable requirements the State 
of Ohio placed on me to get my vote cast? Was I disenfranchised because 
there was no early voting period back then?

> > In addition, these 
> > regulations apply to ALL voters so it is absurd to think these regulations 
> > are aimed at keeping black people from voting.
> You don't think closing the polls on Sunday is not targeting the "souls to 
> polls" tradition in many areas? 

Why would it. White people go to church too. They can't vote on Sunday 
either. Everybody has six other days of the week to cast early votes.

You have failed to identify any unreasonable obstacle for people to 
legally cast their vote nor have you explained how the requirements for 
voting impact black voters more than white voters or poor people more than 
middle class or wealthy people..