"Israel" / "Twin Flames"

As posted at astrologyinternational.org the past few days. Not polished
to near perfection, but hopefully contains helpful impulses to what is
happening these days and what has happened during the past millenia.

31 Oct 2023 at 22:26 (CET)

The Hamas attack was 7 October 2023, about 4 days after Lilith (Mean
Black Moon Lilith) entered Virgo, i.e. close to Mars in the Balfour
Declaration (see #3) and Mars in the ADB chart for the foundation of the
state Israel (see #2), and note that fixed star Regulus (heart of the
lion) is near there, moved from Leo to Virgo roughly around 2011 (like
all fixed stars moves forward in the tropical zodiac by about 1° in 72
years, i.e. a bit less than 1 arc minute per year, and is now around
0°08' Virgo). I am not sure why, but in the years since about 2020 I
have very often seen an emphasis on early Virgo in political events and
people which got lots of global media attention, e.g. Biden's nodes, and
a lot more.

On a larger scale, to me Jewish religion seems to be a child of the Age
of Aries, even though the traditional roots back to Abraham around 1800
BCE (which is roughly when the first star of the constellation Aries
passed the spring point) can apparently not be traced scientifically.
Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, in that sense also the youngest
sign. A newborn just perceives what is done to him/her, is not able,
yet, to see him-/herself as actor (and often is not an actor as a real
newborn baby). This seems to often mirror how people in Israel view what
happens to them. They see what Palestinians, etc. do to them, but not
what they themselves are doing and have been doing. Conversely, I often
see Virgo elements in Islam - maybe similarly to Greek culture with lots
of Libra in the second half of the Age of Aries, Islam (and also the
Renaissance with its analytical approach to the world) could be a
counterbalance of Virgo in the Age of Pisces. And with that Virgo
emphasis would also come a very detailed perception of justice and
injustice, which might sometime silently accumulate over many years and
then suddenly erupt (maybe also a bit like when a longtime wife has had
enough and decides to separate from her husband).

As far as I can tell, Aries does not have the fate to learn compassion
with others much, but since the state of Israel has several planets in
Leo, that would still be a theme - see Liz Greene in "The Astrology of
Fate" in the chapter about Leo, with the Grail legend and more*. In
German there is a saying "Der Klügere gibt nach", where "klüger" is
roughly a mix between intelligent and wise, "The more intelligent/wise
person gives in". Israel is in many respects of
efficency/technology/etc. much superior to Palestine. In particular,
they should not do something that reminds of "Sippenhaft". Sippenhaft
was in the past when someone committed a crime that his (or her) family
was held guilty too (and apparently that was done in the extreme by the
Nazis against all kinds persons, see here in German at Wikipedia).
Enclosing all Palestinians in a large region in the way it is now done
is not fair and also pragmatically does a lot of harm in the medium
term.

If you are interested, I wrote some more about such themes on large
scale in the following article that I published in 2002, actually the
parts around astrological ages were written in autumn 2001, i.e. with
the Saturn-Pluto opposition of the times, not much after 9/11:
https://www.exactphilosophy.net/noindex/discoveries/discoveries-hires.pdf

* A few years ago at the Zürich Film Festival I saw a movie by an
Israeli woman where in the movie an Israeli woman and a Palestinian
woman meet on an escalator, going in opposite directions and then switch
fates, maybe mind goes to the other's body, don't remember in full
detail. After that the Isreali woman has to cross the border with the
wall every day and is searched by soldiers, and so on.

4 Nov 2023 at 10:29 (CET)

Noam Chomsky (*1928) on "Greater Israel":

Partial extract of what he said there (3 days ago):
: [...] the term greater Israel has nothing to do with the Bible, nothing
: to do with what might have happened 2000 years ago, in fact I've never
: heard that suggested until you brought it up. Greater Israel refers to
: what is happening on the ground, it's a description of what is happening
: as Israel has moved systematically to integrate parts of the West Bank
: illegally into Israel itself. That's what greater Israel means, no
: genetics, no history, no Bible. That it's illegal is not a matter of
: selecting sources it is selecting 100% of the sources; outside of the
: Israeli High Court, outside of that there's 100% agreement including the
: highest Israeli legal authorities like [???"Theodor meon"]. That it is
: illegal, no debate about that, we can put aside genetics, we can put
: aside stories about what happened 2000 years ago, we can look just at
: what is happening on the ground and it is very clear. No selectivity
: within Israel itself, There is sharp discrimination against Palestine,
: Palestinians, which should be overcome. In the West Bank there are
: totally illegal activities going on which are creating a greater Israel
: integrated within Israel, in Gaza it's a horror story. As far as
: American opinion is concerned you're totally wrong. I live with this
: constantly. The shift from admiring Israel as a wonderful Social
: Democratic state in the 70s, declining later, took a sharp step
: backwards when Israel began its murderous activities in Gaza. I saw it
: right in front of my eyes when I was giving talks on Israel Palestine, I
: used to have police protection, to protect it against Jewish violence.
: After Cast Lead [Gaza War 2008-2009] shifted radically. Israel became a
: pariah and it shifted very sharply. Has nothing to do with anti-Semitism
: in the United States which is there, but pretty marginal, much worse in
: my childhood, much worse when I went to Harvard in the 50s, very much
: worse then. That's not changed, what's changed is the activities of
: Israel. If Israelis want to blind themselves to the consequences of what
: they're doing their Choice they're going to suffer from it. [...] what
: Israel should stop do is first of all stop the savage destruction of
: Gaza, allow Gazans to live like human beings in the West Bank, put an
: end to the programs of creating a greater Israel.
Whole auto-generated transcript: https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=Mtcj9oTxgzA

Noam Chomsky in the ADB (RR A):
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Chomsky,_Noam

Neptune in early Virgo, where (Mean Black Moon) Lilith was at the Hamas'
horror attack.

And Saturn in 1 at the AC; I will come to Saturn shortly...

Yesterday evening I looked at the chart for the moment and was
astonished to see a "Star of David", maybe not quite perfect because not
a grand sextile, but the trines of the star were all there (used 10°
orbs).

And Saturn near the MC...

In a book titled "Kabbalistic Astrology" (1977, second edition 1990),
Rabbi Joel C. Dobin relates (as I remember) Jewish people to Saturn.

This makes also sense when I think of the medieval assignment of
conjunctions of various planets with Jupiter, the planet traditionally
"ruling" religion, ruling the two likely most religions signs
Sagittarius and (traditionally) Pisces. C.G. Jung lists them in "Aion",
unfortunately without giving a primary source:

Judaism: Jupiter-Saturn conjunction
Islam: Jupiter-Venus conjunction
Christianity: Jupiter-Mercury conjunction
Antichrist: Jupiter-Moon conjunction

Dobin does consider Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in the book and, in my
recollection, interprets them as moments when god would pass down new
"instructions" or something of that kind, from the outer rim of the
solar system (as known in antiquity) first to Jupiter and then Jupiter
to Mars at the next conjunction, and so on. And he also mentions
astrological ages, in fact in his view the Age of Aquarius would have
started with the first conjunction in Air signs in a long time, the one
of 1982, and note that after an intermezzo of one in earth (Taurus), the
one in late 2020 (Aquarius) and several to come were and will be in Air
signs, something which some astrologers also mentioned related e.g. to
events in the Ukraine, also in historical context.

Now let me present sort of a "high level view", one that I have since at
least around roughly the turn of the millenium, and look at current
events in that light...

In that view, Jewish people would live in a somewhat different matrix
than most other people on earth, essentially still in a matrix of the
Age of Aries with its themes.

Other people would be essentially in a transition from an Age of Pisces
to an Age of Aquarius, actually since my childhood there seems to have
been quite some transition there. For example, when I was a child,
saying that one does not believe in god would have not have been ideal
where I grew up, I would have been an outsider there, but now in
Switzerland that is different, many people are no longer member of a
church, and, for example, the traditionally catholic christian party
"CVP" changed its name to "the middle" (Die Mitte), and was actually
quite successful in recent parlamentary elections.

Between the Age of Aries and the Age of Aquarius, there is basically a
sextile, i.e. there are opportunities. The creativity of the cardinal
Aries is very helpful to drive scientific and technological progress,
something which Aquarius needs and holds high, as it is needed to make
life better for humanity. But Aquarius is also a fixed sign, he does
like things to progress in a constant way overall, in the sense that he
does not like "complete chaos" where several ideas pop up and all change
things a lot. Just some and then making a big fuss about it is fine, but
too much is not good, Ouranos/Uranus in Greek mythology would ban what
he did not like to see into the Tartaros, the lowest part of the
underworld.

These themes intertwine. Recently in an interview, related to an new
book by a German author who does eat lunch every week with a relativel
famous and already very old Jewish woman who survived the Holocaust,
including if I remember the interview no less than 3 selections by
Mengele - cannot find her name of the one of the book right how - she
mentions that Jews would frighten people with inventions/findings like
the ones by Einstein and Freud (and she mentioned more).

What Freud found, was certainly also part of a theme of the Age of
Aquarius, c.f. Uranus and Tartaros above, his therapy consisted of
finding things in the unconscious ("underworld") that were trapped there
(like unwanted things in the Tartaros - Zeus/Jupiter banned
Cronos/Saturn after defeating him in chains to the Tartaros). One
Holocaust survivor, Viktor Frankl, had a manuscript for a book taken
away by the Nazis when he was deported, and then kept writing down what
he could remember again and again, survived, wrote the book again and
published it, logotherapy, which is sort of the reverse approach of what
Freud did. Instead of looking back, looking forward and searching for
the meaning of life, for whatever a certain person/patient really loves
to do. (I got to this this summer, reading the very interesting book
"Ikigai" by two Spanish authors Hector Garcia and Francesc Miralles,
about how people who live very long and in good shape live, especially
on some island in Japan they visited, but see for yourselves...)

That theme of looking backward and forward ("Freud vs. Frankl") is also
an Aquarian theme, with Prometheus ("forethought") and Epimetheus
("afterthought") from Greek mythology.

To me it seems that all these new things at the time, Freud, Einstein's
theory of relativity, abstract art, and so on, were in some collective
sense what created a counterreaction, fighting too much change at once,
which fuled the Nazi regime, gave it enough support from people, to gain
power and then - since they were criminal to even today a quite
extraordinary extent - stay in power for years, and starting the second
world war.

So, are Jews responsible? I say essentially no, overall regarding the
Holocaust not responsible. This is similar to the question of whether a
woman is responsible if she is raped. If she was not a woman, if she did
not have certain traits physically and mentally that many women have,
yes, the probability of getting raped would be lower, but that does not
make her guilty at all.

Similary, if you are Jewish, you are sort of still living in a matrix of
the Age of Aries, your reactions are more immediate to what happens,
which is not per se good or bad. What is different is the context you
are living in. In the Age of Aries itself, all would have reacted
similarly. If someone attacked you, you would likely immediately attack
back, not consider what you yourself might have done that lead to the
attack. And that would be what everybody would have done, hence would
not be seen as "bad". Today it is different. Obviously the Hamas members
who committed the atrocities of early October should be traced down and
captured, and it seems likely that what Israel is doing is the fastest,
most efficient way towards that, with I guess killing those Hamas
members immediately also part of the picture. But it does not live up to
the standards of the Age of Aquarius, where even in a war you start, you
make a difference between soldiers and other people, make sure regular
people get water and food and even Internet. That has even changed in
recent decades, in WWII it was normal to bomb whole cities, i.e. mostly
civilians, not soldiers.

With my moon and MC in Aries I can often relate to many thing that are
"Jewish". I remember once sitting in the early evening with a few
colleagues from work in a tiny restaurant outside. It was just getting
dark and a young waiter was lighting two "torches" that work with oil,
and in some way some oil was flowing onto his shirt and catched fire. I
saw that and immediately jumped up and used my pullover to extinguish
the fire, which worked. Turned out that the waiter had not even noticed
what exactly had happened, nor did my colleagues see anything, and an
older woman from the restaurant, presumably the mother of the waiter,
gave me a suspicious look, so she probably also did not see what had
happened. That is maybe a little bit how it can be as an "Aries" in a
"non-Aries environment".

By the way, the world "Holocaust" apparently means something that burns
up completely, while "Shoa" (the word thad maybe Jews more often use for
the same thing?) seems to mean simply great catastrophe or misfortune.

But back to Jewish people and Saturn.

I recently started to read in the Illiad, noticing that it is much more
"Aries" than the Odyssey, even though the latter has still some quite
brutal things happening, often out of the blue. The Illiad is I guess
quite close to what @etherea wrote above about the Old Testament, "Blood
all over the place".

That resonates well with another idea of mine, namely that every
astrological age creates also things that mirror more the opposite side
of it at least in the second half of each age.

For the Age of Taurus, the fascination with death and the pyramids as
gigantic graves, the oppsite sign Scorpio comes to mind. For the Age of
Aries, Greek culture with many abstract concepts and the adoration of
beauty, like the circle as ultimate ideal, for example, and Saturn as
exalted in Libra might also be a big part of Jewish culture, it did not
stay at just "Aries" either in my view.

On the 7th day (the day of Saturn), the Sabath (friday evening at sunset
to Saturday evening), the fire of Aries is not allowed to burn. I do not
know the Jewish religious writings, not much about the Old Testament,
nearly nothing in detail about Talmud and Kabbalah, but I imagine the
latter two might also feature more "Libra" things.

I am not an expert on history, but in my view Jews in Germany were very
well integrated before the Nazis, which, of course, also included some
being quite extreme capitalists, but in line with how it generally was
at the time. The last names like "Einstein" were apparently translations
of previously Hebrew names, which lead to becoming officially citizens
with passports, etc., i.e. part of (Aquarian) integration. But,
ironically and cruelly, it was exactly that becoming part of
administration that later allowed to do the deportations in such an
industrial way, and it was until today exactly that industrial procedure
that scares people most about the Holocaust - there have been other
genocides, but none of that kind.

In those times apparently many Jews were more like "sheep" than like
"rams", they let themselves be transported to the concentration camps
(at least in one case advertised as a city for Jews with normal houses,
etc.). This explains also psychologically in my view, why today's
Israelis typically react much more immediately to attacks, just not to
make the same mistakes than at the time of Nazi Germany. But
unfortunately, such an immediate response without any consideration is
in my view here also exaggerated. Israel is really treating Palestinians
like second class people, something one would not expect Jews to do,
especially in light to what their parents and grandparents lived
through.

Regarding the geopolitical power play: Could be that Palestinians just
don't have many voices left that fight for them, that maybe surrounding
states inhabited largely by muslims would be not unhappy in the end to
have a Greater Israel around, as it might very likely and bring more
progress to them, a future in the modern world past fossile fuels. To me
feels at least in the moment like Palestinians would be the "Indians"
(native Americans) in this region, that they would be pushed away or
even eliminated, maybe even more so the more they fight against it, and
of course, the countries like Iran that do help, are not necessarily
helpful in the end. But maybe I am not seeing everything...

The Ben Gurion canal would at least as far as plans go not pass through
the Gaza strip, but I am not familiar with the topography... What people
who analyze geopolitics often say is that countries do not have friends,
only interest. This may be what often explains what happens in most
cases, but astrologically, countries have birth charts and thus
identities and fates, and they might also make friendships and even fall
in love, just like people do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_Canal_Project

Anyways, a very long post already, not like I would be able to bring
world peace by writing a little more...

Just a quick summary:

Judaism: Age of Aries (with Libra elements, c.f. Saturn) living in a
transition between Age of Pisces and Age of Aquarius, hence there will
be anomosities just because if you are Jewish you are different in a
different way than e.g. moslem vs. christian or black vs. white, but
there is also a great opportunity with the sextile of the Age of
Aquarius, if you keep the fire somewhat controlled, i.e. might be a good
idea to listen to the USA, who is sort of the egg that hatches the Age
of Aquarius in many respects, e.g. go for Hamas, but protect/help
civilians, let water etc. come in.
 
4 Nov 2023 at 10:29 (CET)

Got too long for post above:

Ah, I forgot something. Remember Jupiter-Moon attributed to the
"Antichrist" above? In my view, the Antichrist as bringing the end to
christian religion is in its core the end of the Age of Pisces, hence
the beginning of the Age of Aquarius.

The Hamas attack was with a Jupiter-Moon conjunction, so in a large
collective sense, might be an Aquarian impulse to get some things in
motion there. Is always for individual beings difficult to acknowledge a
"meaning" in such events. How can such atrocities be good for something.
Well, in the life of a human, it can also be sometimes good to maybe cut
one's finger or get hurt in another way, or get drunk, in all cases
there are human cells that are dying, locally where the would is there
is a catastrophic event for the cells "living" there. If there are
beings at larger scale, as I suspect there are, simply as (largely
unconscious) compounds of individual people, then such collective beings
might sometimes also cut themselves or get drunk, etc., and sometimes
maybe with a good overall outcome, and other times maybe not at all, and
not so easy for individual humans to judge.

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After the two posts of 4 Nov (actually on Sabath), I noticed via an
other thread on the site that Saturn had just very recently turned
direct, with the MC in early Libra and, of course, still with the Star
of David formed by planets in female signs. Also, a bit earlier I had
related some things to my "fate", some in "members-only" threads there,
others public. Here is that, and note that the mother of the mentioned
woman was born on a day where Saturn was stationary, that the maiden
name of the mother had been the Yiddish word for some group of small
animals, and that according to Robert Graves (not cross checked so far),
being Jewish or not (from the point of view of Jews) would be something
inherited matrilinearily, which resonates with my moon in Aries, as well
as with the one of the woman mentioned in the next post and her
boyfriend/partner...
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4 Nov 2023 at 12:12 (CET)

I was not consciously aware of that when I posted in the Israel thread
this morning...

Here is the chart for Saturn direct for Jerusalem this morning:

[no image in Usenet]

Again as last evening the Star of David, and MC in early Libra (Saturn
exalted). Personally I could also not help to notice that the mother of
the woman I had mentioned recently in the "Twin Flames" thread (with
very much a Fire, Aries/moon theme, reminding also of the literal
meaning of Holocaust) has an almost stationary Saturn and her maiden
name was the Yiddish word some kind of small animal. Hence, all in all,
my perspective, even if eventually quite sophisticated, seems as so
often just to be a tiny slice of the forces at work...

5 Nov 2023 at 07:37 (CET)

Accordingly in opposition to Saturn in early Pisces, and, also
accordingly, Saturn conjunct Priapus.

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23 Oct 2023 at 21:07 (CEST), in thread titled "Twin Flames"

: [quote cut here in Usenet]

This is from Plato in the Symposion:

: He [=Aristophanes] professes to open a new vein of discourse, in which
: he begins by treating of the origin of human nature. The sexes were
: originally three, men, women, and the union of the two; and they were
: made round—having four hands, four feet, two faces on a round neck, and
: the rest to correspond. Terrible was their strength and swiftness; and
: they were essaying to scale heaven and attack the gods. Doubt reigned in
: the celestial councils; the gods were divided between the desire of
: quelling the pride of man and the fear of losing the sacrifices. At last
: Zeus hit upon an expedient. Let us cut them in two, he said; then they
: will only have half their strength, and we shall have twice as many
: sacrifices. He spake, and split them as you might split an egg with an
: hair; and when this was done, he told Apollo to give their faces a twist
: and re-arrange their persons, taking out the wrinkles and tying the skin
: in a knot about the navel. The two halves went about looking for one
: another, and were ready to die of hunger in one another's arms. Then
: Zeus invented an adjustment of the sexes, which enabled them to marry
: and go their way to the business of life. Now the characters of men
: differ accordingly as they are derived from the original man or the
: original woman, or the original man-woman. Those who come from the
: man-woman are lascivious and adulterous; those who come from the woman
: form female attachments; those who are a section of the male follow the
: male and embrace him, and in him all their desires centre. The pair are
: inseparable and live together in pure and manly affection; yet they
: cannot tell what they want of one another. But if Hephaestus were to
: come to them with his instruments and propose that they should be melted
: into one and remain one here and hereafter, they would acknowledge that
: this was the very expression of their want. For love is the desire of
: the whole, and the pursuit of the whole is called love. There was a time
: when the two sexes were only one, but now God has halved them,—much as
: the Lacedaemonians have cut up the Arcadians,—and if they do not behave
: themselves he will divide them again, and they will hop about with half
: a nose and face in basso relievo. Wherefore let us exhort all men to
: piety, that we may obtain the goods of which love is the author, and be
: reconciled to God, and find our own true loves, which rarely happens in
: this world. And now I must beg you not to suppose that I am alluding to
: Pausanias and Agathon (compare Protag.), for my words refer to all
: mankind everywhere.

Source: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1600/1600-h/1600-h.htm
(The translator, Benjamin Jowett, lived in the 19th century, and Projekt
Gutenberg states: "This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no
cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever.")

I am not sure if I really understant the theme of "twin flames", but my
take would have been that the two flames are maybe most likely the two
big fires in the sky, sun and moon, and when they meet, there is an
eclipse, hence also related to the nodes, and thus in some ways (why
exactly I don't know) also to reincarnation and the concept of an
immortal soul, with maybe roots back to at least Pythagoras on the Greek
side.

Some associations, not much analytical and maybe already biased:
Artemis+Apollon, Amber Heard (embers/hearth?) and Johnny Depp (her new
movie "into the fire", take a look at the teaser trailer with only her
and the boy with "David Bowie" eyes [1]; they apparently started to date
in 2012?), the official video for the song "The Good Lie" by Warhaus [2]
(you have to watch it to the end, or only the end, to see the
connection), Jim Morrison (who added the "funeral pyre" to "Light my
Fire" written by Robby Krieger) and Pamela Courson, Hancock (Will Smith)
and Mary Embrey (Charlize Theron) in the movie "Hancock", ..., but yes,
there would be more to say, oh well, why not:

A woman I met in 1982, same school class, never really got together, and
at least in my feeling never emotionally (soul) separated after that,
nothing could do that. She moved to a distant city in Eastern Europe
(roughly to where originally was from), got married and had a son (not
sure in which order), and in 2009, with Uranus approaching the spring
point, I really tried to separate things, and also got sick. Not sure
what exactly happened then on "her" side, but very roughly around that
time she split up with her husband and since then has a younger partner,
19 years younger than me, the fires in the same (fire) sign as me, the
sun certainly conjunct mine within about 1° (mid Leo), the moon both in
Aries, rather around the middle, also likely (or even certainly, don't
recall) conjunct, and, yes, the nodes are also conjunct (around 20°
Taurus)... So the two lights sun+moon and noded... As far as I know (or
at least what she said), she does not register a connection with me, so:
is there one, or is it just some kind of trick that the gods play on
humans...? I don't know, but is ok these days, wrote about these things
online before, no need to repeat it all... (yes, she does in fact live
relatively close, same general area than me with her friend, at least as
far as the last thing I know about that, so is that a coincidence?)

Now a pun regarding this forum and me:

In the hatching phase of the forum (around early January 2023) I was
part of the first video conference, and believe it or not, one of the
participants (or rather one in a special role not so immediately
involved) had the same first name as the woman I wrote about above, and
likely the same nationality, and shared also some traits (manner of
speaking and moving) with her, at least in my recollection. So, what
the... Maybe also something related to the founding date of the forum
that might "create" such things, I don't even remember the details of
the founding date(s), but there was something in it, if I remember
correctly, that one would normally not recommend in an election chart?
But maybe my memory is not correct...