Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.
Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
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Attila <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:55:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman > <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in >>news:[email protected]: >> >>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:32:23 +0000, Mitchell Holman >>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in >>>>news:[email protected]: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 02:38:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman >>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in >>>>>>news:[email protected]: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 14:24:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman >>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Statues do not preserve history. >>>>>>>>>>>>In many cases statues have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>do with history. Statue of Liberty, >>>>>>>>>>>>Statue of Freedom (atop US Congress) >>>>>>>>>>>>Lady Justice (atop Supreme Court) >>>>>>>>>>>>are not about history, they are about >>>>>>>>>>>>shared values. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you advocating tearing those down? I would point out >>>>>>>>>>> they seldom reference a particular individual. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Exctly. History does not depend on >>>>>>>>>>statues to record it, statues do not >>>>>>>>>>depend on history to inspire people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They must mean something to you since you are so dead set on >>>>>>>>> tearing them down. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not the one tearing them down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You talk them down? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Huh? >>>>> >>>>> You deny tearing them down. What is left except to talk >>>>> them down? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't torn down any Confederate >>>>statues. Take that up with public officials >>>>in conservative states. >>> >>> You agree with them and I suspect you would tare them all >>> down if you could. >>> >> >> >> Why should we honor with statues >>men who attacked America and killed >>Americans? > > They were Americans before the war and after the war. > We should honor people who kill Americans just because they were once Americans? Maybe we should build statues to Charles Manson and Lee Harvey Oswald. >>ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memor >>i >>>>>>>>>>als >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re you sure that is their agenda? It suddenly appeared only >>>>>>>>> in the last ten years or so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So? Statues of OJ and Chavez have also >>>>>>>>been removed in the last 10 years. If the >>>>>>>>public is no longer inspired by them why >>>>>>>>should they stay up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The public that put them up is the same public that took >>>>>>> them down. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why does that matter? >>>>> >>>>> Does it matter if a history book is changed from what >>>>> occurred to what is currently acceptable? >>>>> >>>> >>>> What history books got changed? >>>> >>>> >>>>> The monuments are a part of actual history that really >>>>> occurred. >>>> >>>> >>>> Monuments are not "actual history". >>> >>> >>> Of course they are. They say "This person was important >>> enough to have a monument". >>> >> >> Statue of Popeye: >> >>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2658 >> >> Statue of Batman: >> >>https://www.dc.com/blog/2020/11/25/a-batman-in-bronze-the-story-behind- >>burbanks-new-super-hero-statue >> >> Statue of Rocky and Bullwinkle: >> >>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/21577 > > You missed Paul Bunion. and the Boll Weevil. > Exactly. Monuments do not prove historical importance. >>>>>>>>>> Even Southerns no longer admire Confederate >>>>>>>>>>"hero" Nathan Bedford Forrest due to his >>>>>>>>>>founding of KKK and removed it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest_Monument_ >>>>>>(Memphis, >>>>>>>>>>_Tennessee) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was that wrong? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He was a major Confederate general and led successfully >>>>>>>>> during the war. Should every person having a statue be >>>>>>>>> required to be perfect for their entire lives? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ask the "liberal" Memphis city council that >>>>>>>>took down the statue. If they no longer wish to >>>>>>>>honor the founder of the KKK that is their business. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will not try to address every specific example. I don't >>>>>>> have the time for the research. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Noted. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone who studied the military history of the Civil War. >>>>>>>>> Should every statue of every confederate be torn down >>>>>>>>> because they were Confederates? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. They attacked America and >>>>>>>>killed Americans. Why should that >>>>>>>>be honored? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again you are applying the standards of today to over 150 >>>>>>> years ago. Study the past but don't try to change or hide >>>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> No one is changing the past by not >>>>>>honoring with public statues. >>>>> >>>>> They are encouraging forgetting it ever happened. >>>> >>>> >>>> Who forgot what Hitler did because >>>>statues of him were removed? >>> >>> They were removed in the same generation that put them up. >>> >>> Are you so dense you cannot understand that? You keep >>> repeating it over and over ad nauseam. >> >> >> Where is written that statues >>put up by a previous generation have >>to be kept up in perpetuity? > Well? > Where is it written they should be put up at all? > >> >> >>>>> >>>>> A monument has more impact than a history book. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Only to the illiterate. >>> >>> No, it can encourage someone to go to a history book to find >>> out more. >>> >> >> Exactly. Statues do not teach history. >>Books do. They are not the same thing. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Robert E Lee served as President of Washington College until >>>>>>>>> his death. It is now the Washington and Lee University. >>>>>>>>> Should it be destroyed? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert E Lee himself requested >>>>>>>>that no statues of him be erected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not uncommon for anyone honored to feel they do not >>>>>>> deserve the honor. Others make that decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> Confederates themselves did not want >>>>>>their actions honored, why should we? >>>>> >>>>> All Confederate are dead. Not all Southerners want the >>>>> monuments destroyed. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Southerners are free to erect >>>>Confederate statues on thir own >>>>propery. >>> >>> But do not have the right to use public property the same >>> way Northerners do? >> >> >> Exactly. If local public official >>want - or don't want - a statue on >>public property that is their decision. > > And mobs don't have that right. > What mobs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Based on your constant "southern" comments I suspect you >>>>>>>>> would prefer to eliminate all of the former Confederate >>>>>>>>> states from the country. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, just the ones on public property. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should we build statues to Yamamoto >>>>>>>>and Rommel and bin Laden? After all they >>>>>>>>attacked America and killed Americans, >>>>>>>>just like the Confederates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They were never Americans and were not accepted as Americans >>>>>>> after the war. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why should anyone who attacked America >>>>>>and killed America be honored with a statue? >>>>> >>>>> Why should it be your decision to make? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Just answer the question. >>> >>> Gladly. Because we want to. >>> >> >> Who is "we"? Conservative Southerners >>don't want Confederate statues anymore, why >>should they be forced to maintain them? > > Why do you think you speak for all of them? I would suggest > some would want them left alone. > I am not speaking for any of them. If Southerners no longer want to "honor" former Southerners why should they be forced to? >> > >>> It's usually fear of a riot by some mostly black >>> organization. Plus the Dims have taken control of a lot of >>> major cities and progressives have invaded college campuses >>> everywhere. >> >> >> There hasn't been a riot over a statue >>since colonists pulled down a statue of >>King George 111 in 1775. >> >> And if a statue DID present a threat of >>riot then officials committed to maintaining >>public order should remove it, no? > > The statue isn't the threat. It is mobs like Burn Loot > Murder that use intimidation. > What mobs? >>>> >>>> All the politicians you mentioned publish >>>>their tax returns every year, it is no secret >>>>where their money comes from. >>>> >>> >>> Yet one member of congress seems to fine time to make over >>> 4000 stock trades in one year. Somehow they seem to be able >>> to make better trades that the average person. I wonder how >>> they do that? >> >> >> Perhaps the president is setting a bad >>example by openly steering government >>contracts to firms he owns stock in. All >>stock trades by elected federal officials >>should be banned. >> > > I never said I agree with everything Trump says or does. I > simply agree with most of it. > > I think every elected official should be term limited to two > terms and every civil service employee limited to ten years > of service. Huh? Every ten years career civil servants should be replaced by clueless newbies who don't know the job? Why?