Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 13:35:43 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:55:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:32:23 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 02:38:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
>>>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 14:24:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Statues do not preserve history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In many cases statues have nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>do with history. Statue of Liberty, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Statue of Freedom (atop US Congress)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lady Justice (atop Supreme Court) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are not about history, they are about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>shared values. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you advocating tearing those down?  I would point out
>>>>>>>>>>>> they seldom reference a particular individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Exctly. History does not depend on 
>>>>>>>>>>>statues to record it, statues do not 
>>>>>>>>>>>depend on history to inspire people. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> They must mean something to you since you are so dead set on
>>>>>>>>>> tearing them down.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   I am not the one tearing them down.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You talk them down?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Huh?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You deny tearing them down.  What is left except to talk
>>>>>> them down?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>    I haven't torn down any Confederate
>>>>>statues. Take that up with public officials
>>>>>in conservative states. 
>>>> 
>>>> You agree with them and I suspect you would tare them all
>>>> down if you could.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>    Why should we honor with statues
>>>men who attacked America and killed
>>>Americans?
>> 
>> They were Americans before the war and after the war.
>> 
>
>    
>    We should honor people who kill Americans
>just because they were once Americans? Maybe
>we should build statues to Charles Manson and
>Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
>
>
>>>ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memor
>>>i
>>>>>>>>>>>als
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Re you sure that is their agenda?  It suddenly appeared only
>>>>>>>>>> in the last ten years or so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    So? Statues of OJ and Chavez have also
>>>>>>>>>been removed in the last 10 years. If the 
>>>>>>>>>public is no longer inspired by them why 
>>>>>>>>>should they stay up? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The public that put them up is the same public that took
>>>>>>>> them down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Why does that matter?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does it matter if a history book is changed from what
>>>>>> occurred to what is currently acceptable?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>    What history books got changed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The monuments are a part of actual history that really
>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>    Monuments are not "actual history". 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Of course they are.  They say "This person was important
>>>> enough to have a monument".
>>>> 
>>>
>>>   Statue of Popeye:
>>>
>>>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2658
>>>
>>>   Statue of Batman:
>>>
>>>https://www.dc.com/blog/2020/11/25/a-batman-in-bronze-the-story-behind-
>>>burbanks-new-super-hero-statue
>>>
>>>   Statue of Rocky and Bullwinkle:
>>>
>>>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/21577
>> 
>> You missed Paul Bunion. and the Boll Weevil.
>> 
>
>     Exactly. Monuments do not prove historical
>importance. 
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Even Southerns no longer admire Confederate
>>>>>>>>>>>"hero" Nathan Bedford Forrest due to his 
>>>>>>>>>>>founding of KKK and removed it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest_Monument_
>>>>>>>(Memphis,
>>>>>>>>>>>_Tennessee)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Was that wrong?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> He was a major Confederate general and led successfully
>>>>>>>>>> during the war.  Should every person having a statue be
>>>>>>>>>> required to be perfect for their entire lives?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Ask the "liberal" Memphis city council that
>>>>>>>>>took down the statue. If they no longer wish to
>>>>>>>>>honor the founder of the KKK that is their business.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will not try to address every specific example.    I don't
>>>>>>>> have the time for the research.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Noted. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who studied the military history of the Civil War.
>>>>>>>>>> Should every statue of every confederate be torn down
>>>>>>>>>> because they were Confederates?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Yes. They attacked America and 
>>>>>>>>>killed Americans. Why should that 
>>>>>>>>>be honored?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again you are applying the standards of today to over 150
>>>>>>>> years ago.  Study the past but don't try to change or hide
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    No one is changing the past by not 
>>>>>>>honoring with public statues. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They are encouraging forgetting it ever happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Who forgot what Hitler did because
>>>>>statues of him were removed?
>>>> 
>>>> They were removed in the same generation that put them up.
>>>> 
>>>> Are you so dense you cannot understand that?  You keep
>>>> repeating it over and over ad nauseam.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Where is written that statues 
>>>put up by a previous generation have
>>>to be kept up in perpetuity?
>> 
>
>     Well?
>
>
>> Where is it written they should be put up at all?
>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A monument has more impact than a history book.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>     Only to the illiterate. 
>>>> 
>>>> No, it can encourage someone to go to a history book to find
>>>> out more.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>     Exactly. Statues do not teach history. 
>>>Books do. They are not the same thing. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert E Lee served as President of Washington College until
>>>>>>>>>> his death.  It is now the Washington and Lee University.
>>>>>>>>>> Should it be destroyed?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Robert E Lee himself requested
>>>>>>>>>that no statues of him be erected. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is not uncommon for anyone honored to feel they do not
>>>>>>>> deserve the honor.  Others make that decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Confederates themselves did not want
>>>>>>>their actions honored, why should we?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All Confederate are dead.  Not all Southerners want the
>>>>>> monuments destroyed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>   Southerners are free to erect 
>>>>>Confederate statues on thir own 
>>>>>propery. 
>>>> 
>>>> But do not have the right to use public property the same
>>>> way Northerners do?
>>>
>>>
>>>    Exactly. If local public official 
>>>want - or don't want - a statue on 
>>>public property that is their decision.
>> 
>> And mobs don't have that right.
>> 
>
>      What mobs?
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Based on your constant "southern" comments I suspect you
>>>>>>>>>> would prefer to eliminate all of the former Confederate
>>>>>>>>>> states from the country.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     No, just the ones on public property. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Should we build statues to Yamamoto 
>>>>>>>>>and Rommel and bin Laden? After all they 
>>>>>>>>>attacked America and killed Americans,
>>>>>>>>>just like the Confederates. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They were never Americans and were not accepted as Americans
>>>>>>>> after the war.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Why should anyone who attacked America
>>>>>>>and killed America be honored with a statue?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why should it be your decision to make?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>      Just answer the question. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gladly.  Because we want to.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>     Who is "we"? Conservative Southerners
>>>don't want Confederate statues anymore, why
>>>should they be forced to maintain them?
>> 
>> Why do you think you speak for all of them?  I would suggest
>> some would want them left alone.
>> 
>
>      I am not speaking for any of them.
>If Southerners no longer want to "honor"
>former Southerners why should they be 
>forced to?
>
>
>>>
>> 
>>>> It's usually fear of a riot by some mostly black
>>>> organization.  Plus the Dims have taken control of a lot of
>>>> major cities and progressives have invaded college campuses
>>>> everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>    There hasn't been a riot over a statue
>>>since colonists pulled down a statue of 
>>>King George 111 in 1775.
>>>
>>>    And if a statue DID present a threat of
>>>riot then officials committed to maintaining
>>>public order should remove it, no?
>> 
>> The statue isn't the threat.  It is mobs like Burn Loot
>> Murder that use intimidation.
>> 
>
>      What mobs?
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>    All the politicians you mentioned publish 
>>>>>their tax returns every year, it is no secret 
>>>>>where their money comes from. 
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Yet one member of congress seems to fine time to make over
>>>> 4000 stock trades in one year.  Somehow they seem to be able
>>>> to make better trades that the average person.  I wonder how
>>>> they do that?
>>>
>>>
>>>   Perhaps the president is setting a bad
>>>example by openly steering government 
>>>contracts to firms he owns stock in. All
>>>stock trades by elected federal officials 
>>>should be banned. 
>>>
>> 
>> I never said I agree with everything Trump says or does.  I
>> simply agree with most of it.
>> 
>> I think every elected official should be term limited to two
>> terms and every civil service employee limited to ten years
>> of service. 
>
>     Huh? Every ten years career civil servants 
>should be replaced by clueless newbies who don't 
>know the job? Why?

To eliminate entrenched un-elected bureaucracy.  The
replacement could be staggered much the same way Senator
elections are staggered.

I am ending my comments about monuments here.  Neither of us
controls what will happen and it appears the politically
correct mobs will do a certain amount of damage in this
area.  The inmates now run the institutions and I am glad I
won't be around long enough to see the result.


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