Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> 
> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
> news:[email protected]:
> 
> > On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:55:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> > <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> >>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
> >>news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:32:23 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
> >>>>news:[email protected]:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 02:38:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>Attila <[email protected]> wrote in 
> >>>>>>news:[email protected]:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 14:24:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>    Statues do not preserve history.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>In many cases statues have nothing to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>do with history. Statue of Liberty, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Statue of Freedom (atop US Congress)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Lady Justice (atop Supreme Court) 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>are not about history, they are about 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>shared values. 
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you advocating tearing those down?  I would point out
> >>>>>>>>>>> they seldom reference a particular individual.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>    Exctly. History does not depend on 
> >>>>>>>>>>statues to record it, statues do not 
> >>>>>>>>>>depend on history to inspire people. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> They must mean something to you since you are so dead set on
> >>>>>>>>> tearing them down.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>   I am not the one tearing them down.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You talk them down?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Huh?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You deny tearing them down.  What is left except to talk
> >>>>> them down?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>    I haven't torn down any Confederate
> >>>>statues. Take that up with public officials
> >>>>in conservative states. 
> >>> 
> >>> You agree with them and I suspect you would tare them all
> >>> down if you could.
> >>> 
> >>
> >>
> >>    Why should we honor with statues
> >>men who attacked America and killed
> >>Americans?
> > 
> > They were Americans before the war and after the war.
> > 
> 
>     
>     We should honor people who kill Americans
> just because they were once Americans? Maybe
> we should build statues to Charles Manson and
> Lee Harvey Oswald.
> 
> 
> 
> >>ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memor
> >>i
> >>>>>>>>>>als
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Re you sure that is their agenda?  It suddenly appeared only
> >>>>>>>>> in the last ten years or so.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    So? Statues of OJ and Chavez have also
> >>>>>>>>been removed in the last 10 years. If the 
> >>>>>>>>public is no longer inspired by them why 
> >>>>>>>>should they stay up? 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The public that put them up is the same public that took
> >>>>>>> them down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Why does that matter?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Does it matter if a history book is changed from what
> >>>>> occurred to what is currently acceptable?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>    What history books got changed?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The monuments are a part of actual history that really
> >>>>> occurred.
> >>>>
> >>>>     
> >>>>    Monuments are not "actual history". 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Of course they are.  They say "This person was important
> >>> enough to have a monument".
> >>> 
> >>
> >>   Statue of Popeye:
> >>
> >>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2658
> >>
> >>   Statue of Batman:
> >>
> >>https://www.dc.com/blog/2020/11/25/a-batman-in-bronze-the-story-behind-
> >>burbanks-new-super-hero-statue
> >>
> >>   Statue of Rocky and Bullwinkle:
> >>
> >>https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/21577
> > 
> > You missed Paul Bunion. and the Boll Weevil.
> > 
> 
>      Exactly. Monuments do not prove historical
> importance. 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>  Even Southerns no longer admire Confederate
> >>>>>>>>>>"hero" Nathan Bedford Forrest due to his 
> >>>>>>>>>>founding of KKK and removed it. 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest_Monument_
> >>>>>>(Memphis,
> >>>>>>>>>>_Tennessee)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>   Was that wrong?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> He was a major Confederate general and led successfully
> >>>>>>>>> during the war.  Should every person having a statue be
> >>>>>>>>> required to be perfect for their entire lives?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    Ask the "liberal" Memphis city council that
> >>>>>>>>took down the statue. If they no longer wish to
> >>>>>>>>honor the founder of the KKK that is their business.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I will not try to address every specific example.    I don't
> >>>>>>> have the time for the research.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Noted. 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone who studied the military history of the Civil War.
> >>>>>>>>> Should every statue of every confederate be torn down
> >>>>>>>>> because they were Confederates?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    Yes. They attacked America and 
> >>>>>>>>killed Americans. Why should that 
> >>>>>>>>be honored?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Again you are applying the standards of today to over 150
> >>>>>>> years ago.  Study the past but don't try to change or hide
> >>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    No one is changing the past by not 
> >>>>>>honoring with public statues. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> They are encouraging forgetting it ever happened.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    Who forgot what Hitler did because
> >>>>statues of him were removed?
> >>> 
> >>> They were removed in the same generation that put them up.
> >>> 
> >>> Are you so dense you cannot understand that?  You keep
> >>> repeating it over and over ad nauseam.
> >>
> >>
> >>    Where is written that statues 
> >>put up by a previous generation have
> >>to be kept up in perpetuity?
> > 
> 
>      Well?
> 
> 
> > Where is it written they should be put up at all?
> > 
> >>
> >>  
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> A monument has more impact than a history book.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>     Only to the illiterate. 
> >>> 
> >>> No, it can encourage someone to go to a history book to find
> >>> out more.
> >>> 
> >>
> >>     Exactly. Statues do not teach history. 
> >>Books do. They are not the same thing. 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Robert E Lee served as President of Washington College until
> >>>>>>>>> his death.  It is now the Washington and Lee University.
> >>>>>>>>> Should it be destroyed?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    Robert E Lee himself requested
> >>>>>>>>that no statues of him be erected. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> It is not uncommon for anyone honored to feel they do not
> >>>>>>> deserve the honor.  Others make that decision.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Confederates themselves did not want
> >>>>>>their actions honored, why should we?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> All Confederate are dead.  Not all Southerners want the
> >>>>> monuments destroyed.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>   Southerners are free to erect 
> >>>>Confederate statues on thir own 
> >>>>propery. 
> >>> 
> >>> But do not have the right to use public property the same
> >>> way Northerners do?
> >>
> >>
> >>    Exactly. If local public official 
> >>want - or don't want - a statue on 
> >>public property that is their decision.
> > 
> > And mobs don't have that right.
> > 
> 
>       What mobs?
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Based on your constant "southern" comments I suspect you
> >>>>>>>>> would prefer to eliminate all of the former Confederate
> >>>>>>>>> states from the country.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     No, just the ones on public property. 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     Should we build statues to Yamamoto 
> >>>>>>>>and Rommel and bin Laden? After all they 
> >>>>>>>>attacked America and killed Americans,
> >>>>>>>>just like the Confederates. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> They were never Americans and were not accepted as Americans
> >>>>>>> after the war.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Why should anyone who attacked America
> >>>>>>and killed America be honored with a statue?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Why should it be your decision to make?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>      Just answer the question. 
> >>> 
> >>> Gladly.  Because we want to.
> >>> 
> >>
> >>     Who is "we"? Conservative Southerners
> >>don't want Confederate statues anymore, why
> >>should they be forced to maintain them?
> > 
> > Why do you think you speak for all of them?  I would suggest
> > some would want them left alone.
> > 
> 
>       I am not speaking for any of them.
> If Southerners no longer want to "honor"
> former Southerners why should they be 
> forced to?
> 
> 
> >>
> > 
> >>> It's usually fear of a riot by some mostly black
> >>> organization.  Plus the Dims have taken control of a lot of
> >>> major cities and progressives have invaded college campuses
> >>> everywhere.
> >>
> >>
> >>    There hasn't been a riot over a statue
> >>since colonists pulled down a statue of 
> >>King George 111 in 1775.
> >>
> >>    And if a statue DID present a threat of
> >>riot then officials committed to maintaining
> >>public order should remove it, no?
> > 
> > The statue isn't the threat.  It is mobs like Burn Loot
> > Murder that use intimidation.
> > 
> 
>       What mobs?
> 
> 
> >>>>
> >>>>    All the politicians you mentioned publish 
> >>>>their tax returns every year, it is no secret 
> >>>>where their money comes from. 
> >>>>
> >>> 
> >>> Yet one member of congress seems to fine time to make over
> >>> 4000 stock trades in one year.  Somehow they seem to be able
> >>> to make better trades that the average person.  I wonder how
> >>> they do that?
> >>
> >>
> >>   Perhaps the president is setting a bad
> >>example by openly steering government 
> >>contracts to firms he owns stock in. All
> >>stock trades by elected federal officials 
> >>should be banned. 
> >>
> > 
> > I never said I agree with everything Trump says or does.  I
> > simply agree with most of it.
> > 
> > I think every elected official should be term limited to two
> > terms and every civil service employee limited to ten years
> > of service. 
> 
> 
>      Huh? Every ten years career civil servants 
> should be replaced by clueless newbies who don't 
> know the job? Why?

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