Re: Why the electoral college is manifestly and obviously wrong and unjust

On 8/11/2026 7:00 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted 
child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch 
of lies:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 17:47:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 13:04:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 01:39:32 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:47:34 -0400, Ted
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 07:12:10 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 7:07 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 15 low population red shithole states with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> combined population of a little over 39 million, roughly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching California's 39 million. They are Alabama, Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, West
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virginia, and Wyoming. These states have 48 representatives
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the House, and
>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators, giving them 78 total electoral votes. California
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>> 54
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electoral votes, for its 52 representatives and two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the voters in these 15 red shithole states have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more say ? not just more say, but almost 50% more ? in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electing the president than the equal number of voters in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California? In
>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible universe is that a just outcome? It is not a just
>>>>>> outcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in ANY universe at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, if we elected the president on a popular vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>> 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>> red shithole states would still provide more votes for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republiscum/QAnon candidate than California does for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic (not "Democrat") candidate. Harris won California
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 58.5% of the vote. Trump won the majority of those 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>> red shithole states with more than 60%; more than 70% in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> West Virginia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Actually I agree with Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the EC is a vestige of slavery
>>>>>>>>>>>> and needs to be abolished.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course it's a vestige of slavery. Paul Finkelman showed that
>>>>>>>>>>> conclusively. "The Proslavery Origins of the Electoral College"
>>>>>>>>>>> https://larc.cardozo.yu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2804
>>>>>> &context=c
>>>>>>>>>>> lr
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It insures the country is not run by the population centers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then why don't states use an EC to
>>>>>>>> keep one large city from dominating
>>>>>>>> statewide politics?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because the less populated states did not want to be
>>>>>>> dominated by the more populated states.  Our system gives
>>>>>>> rights to minorities and protects those rights, otherwise
>>>>>>> the majority could always do as it wished.  Without the EC
>>>>>>> the country would always be dominated by a handful of states
>>>>>>> with large population centers and the rest of the country
>>>>>>> would just be ignored.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the EC the entire country must be considered in every
>>>>>>> action.  That is why we have two houses of Congress - the
>>>>>>> House that is populated according to numbers alone and the
>>>>>>> Senate which insures the remainder of the country is not
>>>>>>> permanently ignored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Funny that all elections in the US are
>>>>>> determined by popular vote EXCEPT the president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy.  Every other election is a regional election.
>>>>> President is the only national election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each region elects it's own representative and the major
>>>>> population centers cannot dictate who the governor,
>>>>> Senators, or Representatives are for smaller states,
>>>>> Everyone has a voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
>>>>> It was planned to be that way.
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>>   If representative democracy is
>>>> so perfect why do states have
>>>> ballot initiatives where the voters
>>>> can vote on laws instead of just
>>>> people?
>>>
>>> The procedures vary from state to state but usually a
>>> petition approved by a certain number of registered voters
>>> is required.  Then the measure can be placed on the ballot.
>>>
>>> These are local or statewide measures and not national.  The
>>> states have a lot more power to decide their internal
>>> operations than the nation does.  The two issues are
>>> separate.
>>>
>>> I never said it is perfect.  It is just better than anything
>>> else that has been tried as far as personal freedoms are
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
>>>>>> November 10, 2016
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary
>>>>>> Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct
>>>>>> national election of the president. But the
>>>>>> savvy Virginian James Madison responded that
>>>>>> such a system would prove unacceptable to the
>>>>>> South: "The right of suffrage was much more
>>>>>> diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern
>>>>>> than the Southern States; and the latter could
>>>>>> have no influence in the election on the score
>>>>>> of Negroes." In other words, in a direct
>>>>>> election system, the North would outnumber the
>>>>>> South, whose many slaves (more than half a
>>>>>> million in all) of course could not vote. But
>>>>>> the Electoral College?a prototype of which
>>>>>> Madison proposed in this same speech?instead
>>>>>> let each southern state count its slaves,
>>>>>> albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing
>>>>>> its share of the overall count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After the 1800 census, Wilson?s free state of
>>>>>> Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than
>>>>>> Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes.
>>>>>> Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any
>>>>>> other slave state) bought or bred, the more
>>>>>> electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave
>>>>>> state to free any blacks who then moved North,
>>>>>> the state could actually lose electoral votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the system?s pro-slavery tilt was not
>>>>>> overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution
>>>>>> was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of
>>>>>> the Constitution?s first 36 years, a white
>>>>>> slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/o2vbjdn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember at the time the Constitution was written smaller
>>>>> states were all southern and agricultural.  Today a lot of
>>>>> western states fit that description of being smaller in
>>>>> population.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    As the above article shows,
>>>> it was not about small vs big
>>>> states, it was about skewing an
>>>> advantage to slavery states.
>>>
>>> Who were the small population states at the time.  Remember
>>> the country was a lot smaller then than it is now.
>>>
>>> You seem to find a slave under every rock and you clearly
>>> despise anything that is southern.
>>>
>>
>>       The Constitution itself says
>> the EC exists because of slavery.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Vermont and Rhode Island were
>>>> small but didn't demand an EC,
>>>> it was Virginia and the Carolinas
>>>> that feared a direct elections.
>>>> Because they wanted a slavery
>>>> advantage.
>>>>
>>>>    Trump is right, get rid of (or at
>>>> least bypass) the EC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He is wrong on this one.  But the EC is a constitutional
>>> requirement so his opinion is moot.
>>
>>
>>      The EC is in the constitution, as is
>> blacks being three fifths of person. Neither
>> have any relevance today.
> 
> You hate the EC because you could lose.

We hate the electoral college because it is a perversion and serves no useful or 
legitimate purpose. It allows a candidate whom most voters reject to win, and 
that's wrong and bad.