Re: Why the electoral college is manifestly and obviously wrong and unjust

On 8/11/2026 9:10 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted 
child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch 
of lies:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On 8/11/2026 7:00 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
>> of lies:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>>
>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 17:47:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 13:04:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 01:39:32 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:47:34 -0400, Ted
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 07:12:10 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 7:07 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 15 low population red shithole states with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combined population of a little over 39 million, roughly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching California's 39 million. They are Alabama, Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, West
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virginia, and Wyoming. These states have 48 representatives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the House, and
>>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators, giving them 78 total electoral votes. California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>> 54
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electoral votes, for its 52 representatives and two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the voters in these 15 red shithole states have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more say ? not just more say, but almost 50% more ? in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electing the president than the equal number of voters in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California? In
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible universe is that a just outcome? It is not a just
>>>>>>>> outcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in ANY universe at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, if we elected the president on a popular vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red shithole states would still provide more votes for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republiscum/QAnon candidate than California does for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic (not "Democrat") candidate. Harris won California
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 58.5% of the vote. Trump won the majority of those 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red shithole states with more than 60%; more than 70% in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> West Virginia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Actually I agree with Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the EC is a vestige of slavery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and needs to be abolished.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course it's a vestige of slavery. Paul Finkelman showed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusively. "The Proslavery Origins of the Electoral College"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://larc.cardozo.yu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2804
>>>>>>>> &context=c
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It insures the country is not run by the population centers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then why don't states use an EC to
>>>>>>>>>> keep one large city from dominating
>>>>>>>>>> statewide politics?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because the less populated states did not want to be
>>>>>>>>> dominated by the more populated states.  Our system gives
>>>>>>>>> rights to minorities and protects those rights, otherwise
>>>>>>>>> the majority could always do as it wished.  Without the EC
>>>>>>>>> the country would always be dominated by a handful of states
>>>>>>>>> with large population centers and the rest of the country
>>>>>>>>> would just be ignored.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the EC the entire country must be considered in every
>>>>>>>>> action.  That is why we have two houses of Congress - the
>>>>>>>>> House that is populated according to numbers alone and the
>>>>>>>>> Senate which insures the remainder of the country is not
>>>>>>>>> permanently ignored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Funny that all elections in the US are
>>>>>>>> determined by popular vote EXCEPT the president.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Why is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy.  Every other election is a regional election.
>>>>>>> President is the only national election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each region elects it's own representative and the major
>>>>>>> population centers cannot dictate who the governor,
>>>>>>> Senators, or Representatives are for smaller states,
>>>>>>> Everyone has a voice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
>>>>>>> It was planned to be that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>    If representative democracy is
>>>>>> so perfect why do states have
>>>>>> ballot initiatives where the voters
>>>>>> can vote on laws instead of just
>>>>>> people?
>>>>>
>>>>> The procedures vary from state to state but usually a
>>>>> petition approved by a certain number of registered voters
>>>>> is required.  Then the measure can be placed on the ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are local or statewide measures and not national.  The
>>>>> states have a lot more power to decide their internal
>>>>> operations than the nation does.  The two issues are
>>>>> separate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never said it is perfect.  It is just better than anything
>>>>> else that has been tried as far as personal freedoms are
>>>>> concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
>>>>>>>> November 10, 2016
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary
>>>>>>>> Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct
>>>>>>>> national election of the president. But the
>>>>>>>> savvy Virginian James Madison responded that
>>>>>>>> such a system would prove unacceptable to the
>>>>>>>> South: "The right of suffrage was much more
>>>>>>>> diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern
>>>>>>>> than the Southern States; and the latter could
>>>>>>>> have no influence in the election on the score
>>>>>>>> of Negroes." In other words, in a direct
>>>>>>>> election system, the North would outnumber the
>>>>>>>> South, whose many slaves (more than half a
>>>>>>>> million in all) of course could not vote. But
>>>>>>>> the Electoral College?a prototype of which
>>>>>>>> Madison proposed in this same speech?instead
>>>>>>>> let each southern state count its slaves,
>>>>>>>> albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing
>>>>>>>> its share of the overall count.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After the 1800 census, Wilson?s free state of
>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than
>>>>>>>> Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes.
>>>>>>>> Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any
>>>>>>>> other slave state) bought or bred, the more
>>>>>>>> electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave
>>>>>>>> state to free any blacks who then moved North,
>>>>>>>> the state could actually lose electoral votes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the system?s pro-slavery tilt was not
>>>>>>>> overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution
>>>>>>>> was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of
>>>>>>>> the Constitution?s first 36 years, a white
>>>>>>>> slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/o2vbjdn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember at the time the Constitution was written smaller
>>>>>>> states were all southern and agricultural.  Today a lot of
>>>>>>> western states fit that description of being smaller in
>>>>>>> population.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     As the above article shows,
>>>>>> it was not about small vs big
>>>>>> states, it was about skewing an
>>>>>> advantage to slavery states.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who were the small population states at the time.  Remember
>>>>> the country was a lot smaller then than it is now.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to find a slave under every rock and you clearly
>>>>> despise anything that is southern.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        The Constitution itself says
>>>> the EC exists because of slavery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vermont and Rhode Island were
>>>>>> small but didn't demand an EC,
>>>>>> it was Virginia and the Carolinas
>>>>>> that feared a direct elections.
>>>>>> Because they wanted a slavery
>>>>>> advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Trump is right, get rid of (or at
>>>>>> least bypass) the EC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He is wrong on this one.  But the EC is a constitutional
>>>>> requirement so his opinion is moot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       The EC is in the constitution, as is
>>>> blacks being three fifths of person. Neither
>>>> have any relevance today.
>>>
>>> You hate the EC because you could lose.
>>
>> We hate the electoral college because it is a perversion and serves no useful or
>> legitimate purpose. It allows a candidate whom most voters reject to win, and
>> that's wrong and bad.
> 
> Oh sounds like

truth. Yes, because it is.