Re: Why the electoral college is manifestly and obviously wrong and unjust

On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 01:49:43 -0000 (UTC), Wi1liam T T
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 12 Aug 2026, rudy again wrote: 
>> On 8/12/2026 5:34 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 14:04:47 -0400, Ted <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 18:57:41 -0400, Attila <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 14:47:34 -0400, Ted
>>>>> <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 07:12:10 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 7:07 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]: 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are 15 low population red shithole states with a combined
>>>>>>>>> population of a little over 39 million, roughly matching
>>>>>>>>> California's 39 million. They are Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas,
>>>>>>>>> Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana,
>>>>>>>>> Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, and
>>>>>>>>> Wyoming. These states have 48 representatives to the House, and
>>>>>>>>> 30 senators, giving them 78 total electoral votes. California
>>>>>>>>> has 54 electoral votes, for its 52 representatives and two
>>>>>>>>> senators. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why should the voters in these 15 red shithole states have more
>>>>>>>>> say – not just more say, but almost 50% more – in electing
>>>>>>>>> the president than the equal number of voters in California? In
>>>>>>>>> what possible universe is that a just outcome? It is not a just
>>>>>>>>> outcome in ANY universe at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, if we elected the president on a popular vote, those
>>>>>>>>> 15 red shithole states would still provide more votes for the
>>>>>>>>> Republiscum/QAnon candidate than California does for the
>>>>>>>>> Democratic (not "Democrat") candidate. Harris won California
>>>>>>>>> with about 58.5% of the vote. Trump won the majority of those
>>>>>>>>> 15 red shithole states with more than 60%; more than 70% in
>>>>>>>>> Wyoming and West Virginia. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Actually I agree with Trump,
>>>>>>>> the EC is a vestige of slavery
>>>>>>>> and needs to be abolished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it's a vestige of slavery. Paul Finkelman showed that
>>>>>>> conclusively. "The Proslavery Origins of the Electoral College"
>>>>>>> https://larc.cardozo.yu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2804&conte
>>>>>>> xt=clr 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It insures the country is not run by the population centers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for explaining. Makes good sense.
>>> 
>>> Not really.  The small and especially ag states are the ones who
>>> dictate who the President is.
>>> 
>>> I forget who originally posted this but iirc it was Mitchell.
>>> 
>>> ---copy
>>> There are 15 low population red shithole states with a combined
>>> population of a little over 39 million, roughly matching California's
>>> 39 million.
>>> ---/copy
>>> 
>>> They are
>>> 
>>> Alabama, 5.2m
>>>   Alaska,  740k
>>> Arkansas, 3.1m
>>>   Idaho, 2m
>>>   Kansas, 3m
>>> Kentucky, 4.6m
>>> Louisiana, 4.6m
>>> Mississippi, 3m
>>> Montana, 1.1m
>>> Nebraska, 2m
>>> North Dakota, 800k
>>> South Dakota, 940k
>>> Utah, 3.6m
>>> West Virginia, 1.8m
>>> and Wyoming. 590k
>>> 
>>> Total:  35M
>>> 
>>> ---copy
>>> These states have 48 representatives to the House, and 30 senators,
>>> giving them 78 total electoral votes. California has 54 electoral
>>> votes, for its 52 representatives and two senators.
>>> ---/copy
>>> 
>>> Conclusion:  Low population states have far more presidential
>>> election power than they should have.  In effect, each voter in the
>>> above states has 1.5 times as many votes for President per capita as
>>> higher population states.
>> 
>> Correct. And it is entirely unwarranted.
>
>All three of you are literally and constitutionally impaired.  
>
>equality
>noun
>the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and
>opportunities. 

If you could read English and do simple arithmetic, you would have
realized that 35M votes from flyover country have half again as many
votes as 39M Californians.

>Larger states do not get to dictate to smaller states, both are equal. 
>That is exactly why the EC exists. 

Wrong.  The EC exists precisely to prevent high population states from
dictating election results.  This is why so many election winners lost
the popular vote.
-- 
You may have noticed, while checking in on the G7, that Trump had 
to ask Zelensky for forgiveness and Macron fed him a plate of crow 
by using the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles as the setting for Trump 
to sign his capitulation.

In another globally witnessed humiliation, he was roundly snubbed at 
a group photo op.

Long ago, another agreement signed in Versailles failed horribly..

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