Re: Fox News: UFOs/UAPs are real

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 8/19/2026 5:11 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>> In alt.paranormal Dawn Flood <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> If ET is real and visiting here, then it is not logically 
>>> impossible
>>> that they could show up at the end (to be polite) of the next 
>>> Super
>>> Bowl's halftime show.  Of course, that stuff doesn't happen 
>>> (does it?)
>>>
>>> ET probably exists, but interstellar travel is almost surely a 
>>> physical
>>> impossibility.  It is carbon alone (at least according to 
>>> conventional
>>> thinking) that produces life (and, by extension 
>>> consciousness), and as
>>> all (well, nearly all) life needs food, air & water, getting 
>>> all of that
>>> on some sort of spaceship for a 100,000 year or long journey 
>>> is just
>>> impossible.  You can Google "tyranny of the rocket equation" 
>>> for more
>>> information, and Google AI will explain it all.
>> ...
>>
>> This is why I pointed out "everyday reasoning" is so flawed.
>> Numerous assumptions are made. Any of them are wrong then the
>> conclusion is wrong. Any assumptions are missed the conclusion 
>> is wrong.
>>
>> The most obvious is the old mental model of "the aliens live 
>> 100,000
>> light years away".
>>
>> This makes people feel safe. But the aliens have a 10 billion year
>> head start on us. To judge by the earth, life started early.
>> Even some of the group weak thinkers assume Panspermia. I.e. it
>> started early and spread everywhere.
>>
>> So if it's taken us 4 billion years to get to where we are now,
>> the older parts of our Milky Way prob go to the same place 10 
>> billion
>> years ago.
>>
>> We are thinking of jumping to the moon and Mars. They did that 
>> 10 billion
>> years ago.
>>
>> What have they been doing in the meantime?
>>
>> To judge from humanity they have been growing lots of babies and
>> spreading out to new horizons to exploit as much of the 
>> universe as
>> they can.
>>
>> I.e. they are here. They are in the Oort cloud (2000 AU out).
>> The Kuiper belt. Probably on the moons of the outer planets.
>> In the asteroid belt. Mining comets. Everywhere.
>> As some scientists have argued it's not a matter of if they are
>> here but how many are here. Probably Avi Loeb's "trillion" aliens
>> around the solar system is a bit high. Some data I've posted
>> elsewhere might indicate maybe 100 billion.
>>
>> As for the "rocket equation". LOL. Only applies to rockets.
>> There are at least 4 kinds of propulsion systems that dont get
>> into fancy physics. They typically are classified as to where the
>> propellant comes from and where the energy to throw it out the 
>> back
>> comes from. "Rockets" are called "I squared" systems because both
>> the propellant and energy are inboard. I.e. finite. Such as system
>> probably can not make it to another system apart from kicking off
>> and then drifting for a long time.
>>
>> More likely interstellar propulsion would be E^2 -- i.e. the
>> mass to throw and the energy to throw it coming from outside 
>> the spacecraft.
>>
>> A typical system might use a lightsail propelled by super giant 
>> lasers
>> on some convenient moon.
>>
>> Very workable systems have been proposed to get micro 
>> spacecraft to
>> the nearest stars in under 20y -- practially a routine long-term
>> interplanetary mission. :)
>>
>> But, anway, who has to go to the nearest stars? Just go 
>> knocking on
>> some local doors in the asteroid belt.
>>
>> But probably it'd be better to do a lot of growing up first. Dont
>> go bothering the neighbours if you dont have anything 
>> interesting to
>> say. They'll just pull the blinds down and pretend not to be home.
>> .
> 
> As far as modern Science is concerned, the Conservation Laws 
> apply everywhere throughout our Universe.  As such, F = ma is not 
> only true here; it is also true everywhere.  Once again, look at 
> the "rocket equation"; spacecraft do not move themselves, rather, 
> something must push them (a force) to accelerate (a cause).  
> Along the way, any sentient beings on board must breath, eat, 
> drink and poop, not to mention a whole host of other things.  
> Ditto for light sails; they don't steer themselves, and any 
> computers controlling them would need energy, also!
> 
> You are free to believe that interstellar space travel is a 
> physical possibility; I don't.
> 
> Dawn

i believe that we can indirectly travel very fast, by making 
space move around us, than us move through space.