Re: Atheist Wakes Up In Morgue - After Meeting God

Vincent Maycock <[email protected]>
Newsgroups alt.atheism
Message-ID <[email protected]>
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 03:19:02 -0700, "Andrew"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Vincent Maycock" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>"Vincent Maycock"wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DNA evidence points to Creation by a most awesome Creator
>>>>>>>                                   ~~~> God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   If a "wise god" created all species
>>>>>> why did 99% of them go extinct?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why? because of *devolution* That's why.
>>>>
>>>> Why would God allow "devolution"?
>>>
>>>This came in after the Fall.
>>
>> That doesn't explain why devolution would be caused by "the Fall."
>>
>>>Look up, "genetic entropy".
>>
>> So you're still fascinated by the word "entropy" after 
>> creationist claims about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics 
>>were disproven?
>
>That's because you quibble over the definition of the
>word, which goes 'beyond' a strictly thermodynamics
>paradigm.

No, you would be wrong regardless of which definition of "entropy" you
use. Also, thermodynamics is a set of laws and observations,
especially about the flow of heat, rather than a "paradigm." 

>Entropy is a measure of disorder, randomness, or 
>uncertainty within a system. 
>
>In thermodynamics, entropy describes the amount of 
>thermal energy in a system that is unavailable to do
>mechanical work. It is often interpreted as the degree 
>of disorder;
>
>For example, a solid crystal has low entropy, while 
>a gas has high entropy because its molecules are 
>scattered randomly. 
>
>The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the 
>total entropy of an isolated system can never decrease
>over time, meaning systems naturally evolve toward 
>a state of maximum -> disorder.

So you understand now how none of that is incompatible with
large-scale evolutionary change (since biological populations are not
isolated, a condition mentioned even in your explanation above). 

>In information theory, entropy definition is a little
>different. 
>
>In a general sense, entropy refers to the inevitable 
>decline of a system from a state of order, to a state 
>of --> chaos.

So you're trying a different approach to try to get "entropy" to
disprove evolution.   For that, you should read: 

https://internet-files.info/textbook-ga-24-1-11/genetic-entropy-and-the-mystery-of-the-genome

Especially: 

"Life has evolved sophisticated strategies to combat the inherent
tendency towards genetic degradation. These mechanisms are vital for
maintaining genetic integrity and ensuring the successful transmission
of viable genetic information across generations. Several key
processes contribute to this genetic repair and maintenance:

DNA Repair Mechanisms: Cells possess a battery of enzymes and
molecular pathways dedicated to identifying and correcting DNA damage.
These systems can repair mismatches, remove damaged bases, and reseal
broken DNA strands.

Natural Selection: This is perhaps the most powerful force
counteracting genetic entropy. Organisms with a higher burden of
deleterious mutations are often less fit, meaning they are less likely
to survive and reproduce. Natural selection acts to remove these
detrimental mutations from the gene pool, thereby purifying the
genome.

Recombination: In sexually reproducing organisms, genetic
recombination during meiosis shuffles genetic material, potentially
breaking up clusters of deleterious mutations and allowing beneficial
mutations to be more easily passed on.

Gene Duplication and Redundancy: Having multiple copies of certain
genes can provide a buffer against mutations. If one copy is rendered
non-functional, others can still perform the essential task.

Apoptosis (Programmed Cell Death): In cases of extensive DNA damage
that cannot be repaired, cells can self-destruct through apoptosis,
preventing the propagation of faulty genetic information.
These mechanisms work in concert to maintain the quality of the
genome, allowing life to persist and evolve despite the continuous
assault of mutations."

>>>> I mean, what's the point of that?
>>>
>>>You wouldn't want it otherwise.
>>
>> Why do you say that?
>
>It is natural to die.

What does that have to do with God allowing so-called "devolution"? 

> The older folks get, the
>more they break down. I don't think  you
>want that to happen to you for very long..

I'm not *that* old.  But are you suggesting that most senior citizens
are suicidal?  And you still haven't explained why I would want
devolution to happen.  It sounds like you're trying to explain
something else, i.e., why God would allow us to die.  Either that or
you've switched from "devolution" in a population to "devolution" in a
single individual (i.e., the process of "getting old").
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