Re: Atheist Wakes Up In Morgue - After Meeting God

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> 
> On 2026-08-22 15:55, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On 2026-08-22 14:12, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2026-08-22 07:56, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2026-08-21 16:00, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2026-08-21 15:23, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2026-08-21 13:25, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-08-21 11:00, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-08-21 09:52, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-08-21 02:26, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pat." wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply explain why entire civilizations lived thru this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "global flood" without even noticing it. Simply explain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happened to the dinosaurs since the Bible says they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survived this flood.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply explain why so many life forms that should have died
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this flood didn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not just the dinosaurs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to know how the Chinese got there so they could be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved?   Did they hike all the way from China to board the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ark?  What about White people? They weren't white in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bible so where did the white people come from?  Did they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sail from Norway or something?   Then there's the Eskimoes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the negroes from Africa?  Did Noah send invitations to them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or did he pick them up on the way?   And the American
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indigenous and Australian indigenous? Did they swim from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> North America and Australia to the Ark?  Maybe they made
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own!  They weren't Christians or Jews eh.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody, not even the Pope, can explain it.  Maybe it's a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secret.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many unanswered questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet you never seem to ask, . . . . . . . . . . ""Where did we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all originally come from.?""
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let me help you out here. I will tell you what happened.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth." So God created man in His own image; in the image of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God He created him; male and female He created them." ~
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Genesis 1:26-27
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this what happened, or is there any other option for the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> origination of man and woman to come into existence...at the -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same- time, having the biological ability to reproduce..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulting in the human race that exists today?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks, if there is no plausible Darwinian pathway for our origins,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then pure logic points us to Creation by a most awesome and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful Creator. . . ---> GOD.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where did this "god" come from?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gods don't come from anywhere. They just are. Look at Alan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to stir the pot so he can run away.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the universe just can't BE...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but gods can?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If I knew I would be a God. You are trying to spin again. Tell us
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> how you know there is no God. You can't tell us we are wrong if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you can't provide an alternative.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I see.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So if I don't know HOW the universe was formed in the absence of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gods, then that is "proof" to you that I can't be right.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say that did I?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, yeah: basically did.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not at all. You are trying and failing again. Show me where I said
> >>>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When you demanded that I show how the universe came to be in order to
> >>>>>>>> simply state that a claim was false.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn't claim anything. I voiced my opinion. You say I am wrong. If that is so
> >>>>>>> you can show how I am wrong. Right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But when you can't explain how gods came to be, that's just fine?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say that either.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, yeah: you did.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Show me where. You won't because it doesn't exist.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When you finished your description of how the universe came to be with
> >>>>>>>> "god did it" and didn't explain how "he" came to be.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He isn't of out dimension. We will never know until we meet Him if he does
> >>>>>>> exist. You really are this dumb.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So that's just a huge assumption you're using to handwave, Cupcake.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's my opinion. You just want to argue.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's an opinion based on nothing but ignorance.
> >>>
> >>> That means you know I am wrong. So that also means you can prove me wrong. Hop
> >>> to it.
> >>
> >> Nope. It means you've demonstrated your ignorance.
> > 
> > And away he runs. Same old flag raising bullshit.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I provided precisely as much alternative as you did, Cupcake.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You provided none. I voiced my opinion. If you think I'm wrong than
> >>>>>>>>>>> show us. You can't because no one really knows.
> >>>>>>>>>> If you think I'm wrong, THEN (not "than") show us.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And if no one really knows, then your claim that gods did it is just
> >>>>>>>>>> as weak.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You're the one that wants to argue. If there is a god that's where
> >>>>>>>>> everything came from. Simple huh?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And where did god come from?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ask him. I never claimed to have all the answers. Your trying and failing
> >>>>>>> again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If god can spontaneously exist without a cause, then why can't the
> >>>>>>>> universe?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because the universe isn't God.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why does that matter?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The explanation is the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No. The universe is matter. All matter has a beginning.
> >>>>
> >>>> And so there's something that ISN'T matter?
> >>>
> >>> That would be "nothing". How did matter come from nothing?
> >>
> >> How did god come from nothing?
> > 
> > Again. This has been answered. You choose to ignore it. That's on you.
> 
> No. It has not.

It has.
> 
> Or rather, every part of your answer applies equally to the creation of 
> the universe without a god.

That's what you say because you have to twist it around. 
> 
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Only my opinion is backed up by science that shows a universe much
> >>>>>>>>>> older than any mythology of any gods.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No, it has theories.
> >>>>>>>> No. It has many observable facts as well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nope. No one can tell you how it all came about. No one.
> >>>>>> And yet you claim "god did it".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nope. I use that in context to "if there was a god". You try and fail.
> >>>> Don't shrink from your claims, Cupcake.
> >>>
> >>> I made no claim. I won't repeat it again. I don't know if there is a God or
> >>> not. I doubt there was a big bang. I compare notes. You choose to not believe
> >>> in a God and that's on you. But no one has proven anything yet so I am open
> >>> minded.
> >> And yet you continue to insist that the universe needs a creator because
> >> "everything has a beginning".
> > 
> > It does. I didn't "insist" anything.
> 
> "It does" is exactly you insisting.

No it isn't. You fail again at picking apart the topic.
> 
> > You can't have a discussion about anything
> > without playing your kid games. I never said God created everything. I said it
> > makes more sense than any science I have seen. That doesn't mean I am right. It
> > means I am open minded.
> 
> Which explanation of a god creating everything makes more sense?

There is only one if it's true.
> 
> There are thousands of them, you know, and they contradict each other.

Point them out. Then show me proof of a big bang.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I wouldn't want to live like a atheist and be wrong, I would rather live like a
> > Christian and be wrong.
> How do atheists live differently, Cupcake?

Who said they did?



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